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That's always been my theory too Sidious Send a noteboard - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM
And acted with a suddenness indicative of self-preservation.

It doesn't make sense to me that someone would be waiting to kill him in that pantry on the off chance he might be stopping by. It makes much more sense that someone was up to something and sneaking about, ran into Asmodean, didn't want their plans exposed by someone who recognized him or her and took him out.


It fits in with every character who doesn't attack people directly, but rather tries to undermine them using plots. IMO, Asmodean's death excludes all the male Forsaken, Lanfear and Semirhage - who all use direct methods to kill their foes. Graendal, Moghedien and Mesaana are sneaky.

I think Graendal was sneaking around the palace starting plots all over the place. She ran into Asmodean and got a huge fright. She would have considered him to be on Rand's side and at his full power, and she probably thought she'd walked into a serious duel for her life. I'm quite sure she wove balefire with all her might, threw it at him, and flung herself through a gateway. Asmodean would have done the same, had he been unshielded.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2861 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1550 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 834 Views
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In addition to Etzel's comments - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1237 Views
Far-fetched, IMO - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1667 Views
very well said *NM* - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 864 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1366 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1460 Views
Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1315 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1345 Views
The point is... - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1398 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1457 Views
As is Slayer - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1332 Views
There is no evidence of this at all - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1270 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1247 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1285 Views
I disagree. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1390 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1345 Views
I think this is your interpretation - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1299 Views
Yeah right... - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1392 Views
See my replies above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1181 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1172 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1160 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1497 Views
We often see... - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1355 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1432 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1443 Views
Agreed *NM* - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 782 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1291 Views
Well... - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1352 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1374 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1294 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1348 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1309 Views
common sense? - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1293 Views
See my posts above. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1311 Views
Re: Well... - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1471 Views
No... - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1349 Views
let's try this another way - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1364 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1277 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1368 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1423 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1496 Views
RJ used the expression... - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1273 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1395 Views
Re: No... - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1278 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1343 Views
Couple of questions - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1365 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1194 Views
Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1323 Views
Re: Hmmm - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1192 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1220 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1303 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1377 Views
We've seen it done. - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1218 Views
Not the same thing - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1236 Views
Re: Couple of questions - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1387 Views
As said... - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1342 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 681 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1337 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1311 Views
But look... - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1339 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1252 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1305 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1331 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1358 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1224 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1300 Views
??? - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1266 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1317 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 1088 Views
Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1217 Views
Re: Indeed - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1217 Views
LOL!! - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 1040 Views
Too much? - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1311 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1409 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 793 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 1105 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1337 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1543 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 1050 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1559 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1251 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1251 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1225 Views
Doesn't make sense - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1278 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1170 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 806 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1315 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1251 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1285 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1252 Views
Well, I don't think so. - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1277 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1328 Views
Again... - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1341 Views
Taking things NO - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1306 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 1140 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 1146 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1215 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1185 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1193 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1146 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 787 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 1092 Views
I'm relieved then... - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 1096 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1236 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1421 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1263 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1193 Views
That's always been my theory too - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1291 Views
*nods* - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1308 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1214 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1198 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1223 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1211 Views
That is simply false. - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1280 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1400 Views
Of course, it is false - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1265 Views
Here are the quotes - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1209 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 780 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 1124 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 648 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 852 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1287 Views
Well... - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1246 Views
Logic - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1216 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1209 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 817 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1319 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1206 Views
That reminds me... - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1221 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1258 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1211 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1330 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1258 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1541 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1304 Views
That are just semantics - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1352 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1229 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1237 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1283 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1326 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1296 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1360 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1377 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 1123 Views
um no it's not - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1218 Views
It's told after that... - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1189 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1333 Views
Yeah... - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1239 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1255 Views
Ah, whatever... - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1183 Views
We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1213 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1315 Views
LMAO - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1683 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1223 Views

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