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It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious Send a noteboard - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM

Etzel is the most resistant poster. He's like a guy who's hallucinating and you're trying to convince him it's not real. If RJ directly told us "No, it was not Slayer", he'd claim RJ was trying to trick us or something.

It's all good. It would be very boring if everyone thought it was Graendal or Lanfear or Sammael. We actually need more diversity. I wish there would be someone fanatical about Mesaana or Taim.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2802 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1492 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 801 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1293 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1230 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 1172 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 743 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 704 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1299 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1599 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 834 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1305 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1402 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1255 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1281 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1338 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1388 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1267 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1207 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1192 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1223 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1338 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1288 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1223 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1338 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 1128 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 1117 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 1090 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1440 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1286 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1380 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1376 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 748 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1233 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1299 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1293 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1212 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1278 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1233 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1233 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1248 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1410 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1294 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1292 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1211 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1313 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1360 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1442 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1214 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1327 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1200 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1279 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1295 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 1131 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1257 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 1128 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 1160 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1226 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1322 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 1159 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 1170 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1324 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1256 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 642 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1276 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1257 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1266 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1183 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1240 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1269 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1293 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 1172 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1239 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1256 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1209 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1244 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 1014 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1160 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 1154 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1185 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 1154 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 976 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1239 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1346 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 764 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 1050 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1255 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1479 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 970 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1391 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1189 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1187 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 1164 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1201 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 1112 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 711 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 770 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1234 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1200 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 717 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1262 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 812 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 1188 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1220 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1194 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1212 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1274 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1282 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1242 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 1075 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 1074 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 1139 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 1110 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 1125 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 1084 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 748 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 1029 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 1036 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 1169 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1358 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1206 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 1128 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1240 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1242 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 1156 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 1127 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 1167 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 1149 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1219 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1289 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1202 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 1135 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 744 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 1050 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 615 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 803 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1203 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1187 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 1148 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 1155 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 773 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1261 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 1139 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 1155 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1196 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 1142 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1254 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1199 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 1346 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1230 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1290 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1170 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 1156 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1222 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1266 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1229 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1298 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1312 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 1053 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 1144 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 1112 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1257 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1183 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1198 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 1122 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 1154 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1258 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1606 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1167 Views
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