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Re: Sure Sidious Send a noteboard - 04/06/2010 04:55:23 AM
In every one of Sanderson's books that I've read (and I've read most of them), I've seen characters who are believable. Elantris, Mistborn, Warbreaker - they all had people who were complex and fully developed. Few characters were "static" or "two-dimensional"; they would act in ways that were unexpected yet entirely in keeping with who they were, intellectually and emotionally.

Jordan's characters, on the other hand, have largely been ersatz humans with two-dimensional personalities and little emotional, intellectual or spiritual growth. When they display emotion, it is often with stock phrases and cliches.

One of the very few instances in the entire series that has had any real depth has been Rand's "soul-searching" on Dragonmount at the end of The Gathering Storm. I'm not sure how much of that scene was Jordan and how much was Sanderson, but I'm willing to bet that it was more of the latter than the former. I never saw anything that real or immediate in Jordan's writing.

As for the other points, it's obvious Jordan's "Old Tongue" is a pile of crap, linguistically speaking. He would have been better not trying to write "in" it if he can't be like Tolkien. But he so desperately wanted to be like Tolkien.



Yeah, anyone whose read a little can immediately see that his characters are pretty shallow and undeveloped. If readers want to identify growth they have to pretty much imagine it for themselves. It's not unexpected really - he has over 1200 characters, and is undoubtedly one of the biggest and most detailed worldbuilders out there - though everything comes with a cost.

I'm halfway through another of Feist's books, and I think his characters are already more well developed spiritually than some of the main characters in WoT.
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Nobody knows about Sul'dam because it takes them extra long to learn. - 03/06/2010 07:58:41 AM 1073 Views
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Point on the testing - 08/06/2010 02:15:26 AM 735 Views
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That doesn't make sense. Are you sure they don't put the BRACELET on the girls, not the collar? - 04/06/2010 01:35:08 AM 752 Views
I am absolutely sure. Quote from book. - 04/06/2010 03:09:08 AM 831 Views
Re: I am absolutely sure. Quote from book. - 04/06/2010 11:54:25 AM 665 Views
Thanks Darius *NM* - 08/06/2010 01:48:28 AM 418 Views
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Everything points to a change in policy - 06/06/2010 04:04:33 AM 698 Views
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Not at all - 02/06/2010 03:52:31 PM 680 Views
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I think "tortured" is relative... - 03/06/2010 08:22:37 AM 771 Views
As with most things in Jordan's universe, I don't think it was thought through very seriously. - 03/06/2010 08:05:04 PM 715 Views
Huh? - 03/06/2010 08:44:35 PM 803 Views
Sure - 03/06/2010 09:00:40 PM 838 Views
Bah... - 03/06/2010 09:51:09 PM 772 Views
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oh come now - 04/06/2010 12:58:44 AM 731 Views
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I don't know if that's totally true - 04/06/2010 12:09:29 PM 698 Views
Maybe you don't read that much serious literature? I just don't see why you are arguing this. - 04/06/2010 03:47:50 PM 711 Views
I actually don't read much fiction at all to be honest - 04/06/2010 04:00:03 PM 742 Views
You're right about the fact that I have mostly contempt for Jordan. - 04/06/2010 05:42:49 PM 705 Views
meh. I prefer non-fiction most of the time - 06/06/2010 03:44:38 AM 761 Views
I have read lots of fiction - 06/06/2010 03:57:07 AM 755 Views
Meh - 04/06/2010 05:03:41 PM 734 Views
LOL ... I hear ya on that - 06/06/2010 03:49:48 AM 745 Views
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This raises another question - 06/06/2010 04:13:25 AM 673 Views
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