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Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow Send a noteboard - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM

He's probably referring to what it would take to smother him no matter what he tried. Rand's statement that it would take three women like Semirhage to cut him off is very close to Lanfear's suggestion that she link with Rahvin and Graendal to shield Rand and take him alive.


Yes, I think that is right. Look at the quote in the context of the story. Rand had just been shielded by a circle of 13 despite that he had ahold of Saidin. The ease with which they shielded him was fresh on his mind when he had the thought.

Rand was saying that the only way 3 women could be certain to cut him from the source, 100% of the time once he has taken ahold of saidin, would be if the 3 women are of Semirhage or Mesaana's strength.

As for the interesting twist, I find the above example a good comparison with the example of 2 regular Aes Sedai + Moghedien in a wig.

The Semirhage/Mesaana example above tells us exactly the point at which Rand would get overwhelmed no matter what he did.

The Moghedien + 2 AS example above tells us exactly the point at which Rand actually becomes threatened. Everything in between those two points and the winner depends on other factors: such as skill, knowledge, dexterity, location, luck, etc.

Apparently Moghedien + 2 AS is NOT a guarantee win for Rand, but anything less and Rand wins every time.


That is indeed what it means.
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2229 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1300 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1379 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1441 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1470 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1362 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1311 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1411 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1240 Views
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Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1146 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1229 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1218 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1096 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1148 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1305 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1217 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1187 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1177 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1177 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1226 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1113 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1188 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1171 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1122 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1180 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1172 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1181 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1104 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2093 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1266 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1166 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1110 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1300 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1301 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1103 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1135 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1168 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1176 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1311 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1318 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1148 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1276 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1289 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1211 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1271 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1216 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 984 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 994 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1078 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 960 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1254 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1237 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1177 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1147 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 652 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1110 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 560 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1031 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1202 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1148 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1203 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1222 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1006 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1084 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1154 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1392 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1020 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1253 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1059 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1092 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1250 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1222 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1296 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1127 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1146 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1049 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 953 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1280 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1145 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1151 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1127 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1139 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1185 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1268 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1104 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1185 Views

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