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Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM

Yes, because he did not know how to resist them. If you don't resist, then of course she can cut your connection. Just holding onto the Source means you leave yourself defenseless.

That isn't true at all. Verin and co. threw a shield at Graendal. Graendal did nothing, yet the shield bounced off. Verin and Alanna threw a shield at Rand in LoC. He did nothing, and the shield bounced off.

Of course six Aes Sedai can hold him. But it takes a LOT more to cut you off if you are already holding the Source. Come on, that's One Power 101. Even you know that.

Yes, but who said the six sisters against the False Dragons were trying to shield him? It was a battle, by all accounts, and not a shielding match.

Again, to shield someone who is already holding the Source, you must be MUCH stronger than they are. Something like 50% stronger, if the books are any indication. Was Rand sure that he is 50% stronger than 7 Aes Sedai, whose individual strengths he doesn't know, and who might or might not have angreal with them?

Was Talaan even .1% stronger than Nynaeve?

How was he to know.

Because he has an idea of how strong AS are from seeing how strong the strongest among them is?
If one of them was Moghedien, she would be dangerous enough. Maybe not to shield him, but very dangerous to confront.

She would be able to shield him. Unless he cut her shield.


The closer you are in strength, the more uncertain it becomes that you will be able to shield someone. If you are exactly equal, the chances of success are very slim. In fact, in Nynaeve's case, it was proven that although she was equal to Talaan, she was unable to shield her, and was in fact shielded herself because Talaan was more skilled.

So it became a battle of skill, which Nynaeve lost.

As for Verin and Graendal's cases. See above. Verin and Alanna's shield was hopelessly weaker than Rand's connection to the source. So much weaker that he did not even have to bother to resist it.

Same with Graendal and Verin's case. Graendal was channeling through an angreal and the thickness of her connection was either exceeded Verin's shield strength by too great a margin, or Verin's shield was of insufficient precision to slice through it.

We know Lanfear is very dexterous, and can therefore no doubt create shield with a much sharper "edge", meaning in effect that she can punch above her weight in strength.

But as I said before, if it was Lews Therin in front of her, instead of the untrained, ignorant Rand, she would have had no chance.

Ishamael could not even cut Lews Therin off from the source. How on earth could Lanfear hope to do it then?


There's no proof that Rand made a massive jump in strength and skill after this. A chapter later he fought Rahvin, and earlier in the book he got into a direct battle with Sammael. How unskilled could he be compared to Lews Therin? Are you telling me that you could add a second Lanfear and Lews Therin would be able to hold them off?
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No three women could block him from the Source... - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2361 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1414 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1503 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1565 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1613 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1500 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1472 Views
Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1530 Views
Re: Huh? - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1367 Views
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Re: - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1278 Views
No, this is before. - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1363 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1346 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1219 Views
Simple answer to settle it: - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1272 Views
So Talaan is God? - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1432 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1333 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1324 Views
So? - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1304 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1307 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1356 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1242 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1314 Views
Lanfear can do it alone - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1287 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1238 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1311 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1304 Views
Bah! - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1315 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1227 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2227 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1401 Views
BUT... - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1278 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1236 Views
No. There's a difference. - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1424 Views
Oh come on... - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1455 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1246 Views
But that isn't true... - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1251 Views
Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1290 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1291 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1461 Views
??? - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1449 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1279 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1406 Views
Exactly! - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1414 Views
Touchy point, heh? - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1324 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1397 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1338 Views
If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1113 Views
Re: If you wish... - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1105 Views
Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1207 Views
Re: Whyever not? - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1090 Views
Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1370 Views
Re: Even in that situation - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1357 Views
Okay... - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1297 Views
Re: Okay... - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1262 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 719 Views
What? - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1243 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 621 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1145 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1329 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1266 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1312 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1348 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1133 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1223 Views
+1 - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1324 Views
- 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1504 Views
Re: - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1142 Views
indeed you have - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1382 Views
Bad analogy... - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1181 Views
Uh... - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1215 Views
I disagree. - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1398 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1376 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1427 Views
go back a few posts... - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1251 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1269 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1191 Views
Agreed - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1074 Views
I don't think there's any theme - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1446 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1269 Views
They have a separate trinity. - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1306 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1264 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1258 Views
No, that's not right either. - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1307 Views
I disagree - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1401 Views
Another related quote - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1219 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1319 Views

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