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I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM
Leaving aside unfathomable stuff about Aes Sedai and False Dragons who lived millenia ago, lets just look at Rand...

FACT: Lanfear could shield him, except for his defense. Her shields were strong enough to cut his connection.

FACT: Six Aes Sedai held Rand.

FACT: Lews Therin is not certain Rand can shield seven modern Aes Sedai even with his angreal.

FACT: Rand also said that unless one of the three Aes Sedai in front of him was Moghedien in a wig, he didn't have anything to worry about, a statement that directly contradicts his own that three Semirhages are needed to worry him.

Its clear that what Rand meant is what Sid said. It is about overwhelming Rand completely, not being a threat to him.


Yes, because he did not know how to resist them. If you don't resist, then of course she can cut your connection. Just holding onto the Source means you leave yourself defenseless.

Of course six Aes Sedai can hold him. But it takes a LOT more to cut you off if you are already holding the Source. Come on, that's One Power 101. Even you know that.

Again, to shield someone who is already holding the Source, you must be MUCH stronger than they are. Something like 50% stronger, if the books are any indication. Was Rand sure that he is 50% stronger than 7 Aes Sedai, whose individual strengths he doesn't know, and who might or might not have angreal with them?

How was he to know.

If one of them was Moghedien, she would be dangerous enough. Maybe not to shield him, but very dangerous to confront.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2279 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1352 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1432 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1495 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1535 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1424 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1370 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1465 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1290 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1351 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1209 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1290 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1267 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1160 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1203 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1361 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1270 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1237 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1224 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1230 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1271 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1172 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1289 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1173 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1250 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1223 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1169 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1241 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1234 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1247 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1161 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2144 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1330 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1220 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1201 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1167 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1354 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1350 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1159 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1188 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1224 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1228 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1374 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1379 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1210 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1332 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1345 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1261 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1333 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1270 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1043 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1042 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1137 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1022 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1311 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1293 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1230 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1196 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 680 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1163 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 580 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1086 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1255 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1200 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1245 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1162 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1275 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1066 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 514 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1132 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1214 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1442 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1080 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1315 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1119 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1145 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1315 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1277 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1353 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1186 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1208 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1114 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1009 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1363 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1201 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1205 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1192 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1196 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1242 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1324 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1158 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1247 Views
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