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Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great Send a noteboard - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM
I think my interpretation is opposite of what you imply. But maybe I'm wrong, and you know better what my interpretations look like... ;)


You're saying no one Forsaken like Semirhage, or even two, can shield Rand. Correct?

Yet, Rand says this:
"I think you just did. They aren't all coming. I said no more than three, so that is what they're sending."
In the mirror his head tilted as if he were listening, and he nodded, voice dropping to a murmur. "Yes, I can handle three, if they aren't too strong." Abruptly he noticed her looking. "Of course, if one of them is Moghedien in a wig, or Semirhage, I may be in trouble."

So, clearly Rand is in trouble if two not "too strong" women and either Moghedien or Semirhage attacks him.

Now you tell me how else I am to read this, except that Moggy+two weak women>2 x Semirhage?


Thanks for the quote.

Only I don't understand your math here. Now you saying "2 x Semirhage", but before it was "3 x Semirhage". So which one?

Another point. Saying "I maybe in trouble" is not equal "No three women could block him from the Source ". It just not the same. When he says "I maybe in trouble" he easily could've meant that he would need to break sweat and stand up from the chair to handle them. Or he could've meant he need to do actual fighting before he could handle all three. Or he could've meant he is going to fight very hard for his life before he could handle them. But saying "block him from the Source" means only one thing - he's defeated. So no, I don't think you can compare those two quotes. The only definitive quote is "No three women could block him from the Source unless they were as strong as Semirhage or Mesaana". "Maybe in trouble" just don't cut it.
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No three women could block him from the Source... Logain - 15/06/2010 06:52:17 PM 2334 Views
I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 07:22:16 PM 1395 Views
I think he means that it would take three such women to smother him Sidious - 15/06/2010 07:45:03 PM 1489 Views
Ahhh... I can kind of agree with that... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:05:46 PM 1544 Views
Yes, that is what he meant. Another interesting twist... Logain - 16/06/2010 01:34:18 AM 1588 Views
Agreed. Good analysis. Shannow - 16/06/2010 07:48:36 AM 1478 Views
Re: I think that is total BS, since the books have proved otherwise more than once... randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:17:47 PM 1452 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 1509 Views
Re: Huh? randfandom - 15/06/2010 08:31:17 PM 1348 Views
fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:43:12 PM 1415 Views
Re: Code_Man65 - 15/06/2010 08:47:05 PM 1252 Views
No, this is before. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:49:13 PM 1337 Views
Well that's a different quote from the one you used before, and this one shows Lanfear not succeedin Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:52:00 PM 1322 Views
I never used a quote before. And there's no quote where Lanfear's shield is not succeeding. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:28 PM 1200 Views
Simple answer to settle it: Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:00:22 PM 1252 Views
So Talaan is God? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:04:44 PM 1408 Views
It Rand had half Lews Therin's skill at the time, she would stand no chance..SKILL was her advantage Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:08:41 PM 1310 Views
Skill has nothing to do with how strong a person is. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:11:13 PM 1304 Views
So? Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:15:01 PM 1284 Views
Nope, YOU said he was talking about smothering him, whatever that's supposed to mean... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:26:53 PM 1284 Views
Oh My God! That's such utter tripe... EDIT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:30:29 PM 1328 Views
That's exactly how I understood you. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:30:42 PM 1218 Views
You do know that this was AFTER Lanfear had picked up the bracelet angreal, right? Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:49:47 PM 1330 Views
It was before... both of them start using an angreal after this. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:52:02 PM 1219 Views
Nope. 6 Aes Sedai couldn't take Raolain Darksbane or Yurian Stonebow...Semirhage = 3 Aes Sedai Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:26:21 PM 1289 Views
Lanfear can do it alone Sidious - 15/06/2010 08:45:09 PM 1262 Views
She ATTEMPTS to cut him off, when he is not at full strength or full training yet... Shannow - 15/06/2010 08:55:39 PM 1219 Views
Plus, Rand was splitting his flows, IIRC. Meaning he wasn't 100% one-on-one with her. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 08:57:35 PM 1287 Views
She was splitting her flows too... she was slicing his weaves of Air. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:59:00 PM 1284 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:58:26 PM 1296 Views
I repeat: You cannot shield someone unless you are significantly stronger than they are... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:02:55 PM 1206 Views
Explain Talaan shielding Nynaeve then. Or the two BA shielding her. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:05:21 PM 2196 Views
It becomes a battle of skill then... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:09:42 PM 1381 Views
BUT... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:12:47 PM 1261 Views
Then by your own definition you do not have to be significantly stronger to shield someone darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 11:28:44 PM 1254 Views
Re: "he would have had no need to cut her weaves" Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:03:39 PM 1214 Views
No. There's a difference. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:07:09 PM 1402 Views
Oh come on... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 08:48:56 PM 1423 Views
I know you are not that ignorant... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:07:02 PM 1217 Views
But that isn't true... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:10:37 PM 1230 Views
Let me spell it out for you... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:18:04 PM 1268 Views
Re: Let me spell it out for you... Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:21:02 PM 1271 Views
Don't put words in my, or Lews Therin's, mouth... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:33:50 PM 1434 Views
??? darius_sedai - 15/06/2010 10:43:28 PM 1425 Views
+1. It ridiculous comparison. Rand even didn't know how to shield a woman. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:22:22 PM 1257 Views
Now that's a ridiculous comparison Sidious - 15/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 1381 Views
Exactly! fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:28:20 PM 1391 Views
Touchy point, heh? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:28:47 PM 1309 Views
Then how come Lanfear never died? We know she made attempts to capture him. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:31:20 PM 1372 Views
Whom? LTT? Can you elaborate? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:33:25 PM 1319 Views
If you wish... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:34:38 PM 1089 Views
Re: If you wish... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:36:30 PM 1086 Views
Whyever not? fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:39:22 PM 1187 Views
Re: Whyever not? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:41:22 PM 1069 Views
Even in that situation fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:43:04 PM 1350 Views
Re: Even in that situation Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 09:47:36 PM 1333 Views
Okay... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:59:36 PM 1272 Views
Re: Okay... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:39:01 PM 1235 Views
So, if it doesn't agree with your view, its fuzzy, even when that is what the books say? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:42:48 PM 708 Views
What? Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:45:16 PM 1222 Views
If we use your interpretation of the statements. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 10:49:21 PM 608 Views
Re: If we use your interpretation of the statements. Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 10:54:48 PM 1126 Views
Okay, here's what I think you're saying... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 11:00:19 PM 1305 Views
Re: Okay, here's what I think you're saying... Skeeve the Great - 15/06/2010 11:10:57 PM 1249 Views
Sorry for the mixup... BUT... fionwe1987 - 16/06/2010 12:28:31 AM 1288 Views
Hehehe! Classic. Maybe his hands were full of her...err..Globes of Fire... Shannow - 15/06/2010 09:47:35 PM 1221 Views
I cannot believe you're so obtuse... or then again, I can. fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:26:04 PM 1325 Views
About how strong you have to be to shield someone... fionwe1987 - 15/06/2010 09:14:31 PM 1113 Views
It's like women's tennis. Put the best up against a middling men's tennis player and they lose. *NM* Tom - 16/06/2010 12:18:06 AM 556 Views
Re: No three women could block him from the Source... Underwood - 16/06/2010 04:00:00 PM 1198 Views
+1 Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 05:54:51 PM 1284 Views
darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 08:48:39 PM 1483 Views
Re: Skeeve the Great - 16/06/2010 08:56:31 PM 1124 Views
indeed you have darius_sedai - 16/06/2010 09:34:22 PM 1360 Views
Bad analogy... fionwe1987 - 17/06/2010 04:23:31 AM 1165 Views
Uh... Sidious - 17/06/2010 09:08:01 AM 1195 Views
I disagree. LordPerrin - 16/06/2010 04:03:52 PM 1374 Views
That's wrong. Rand said 2 AS + Moghedien could threaten him Logain - 16/06/2010 05:17:33 PM 1350 Views
Huh. I forgot about that. LordPerrin - 17/06/2010 04:29:38 PM 1404 Views
go back a few posts... Kieran - 17/06/2010 03:41:42 AM 1230 Views
yet Nynaeve and Talaan can shield one another darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:57:09 AM 1246 Views
I'd like to think Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha could RugbyPlayingAshaman - 17/06/2010 04:19:22 PM 1164 Views
Agreed darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 05:59:39 PM 1049 Views
I don't think there's any theme Sidious - 17/06/2010 08:25:52 PM 1423 Views
I don't think they are meant to controll him in someway darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 10:21:09 PM 1243 Views
They have a separate trinity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/06/2010 06:51:27 PM 1285 Views
They might be able to, but then they are not 3 women of <b>average AS</b> strength Logain - 17/06/2010 07:10:14 PM 1241 Views
They would be far more than 3 average AS darius_sedai - 17/06/2010 08:07:30 PM 1239 Views
No, that's not right either. Lews Therin Telamon - 18/06/2010 12:37:37 AM 1284 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 06:07:10 AM 1375 Views
Another related quote Skeeve the Great - 18/06/2010 07:49:33 PM 1200 Views
well, in the same book about 5 minutes after Lanfear almost kicks Rands ass darius_sedai - 18/06/2010 08:11:49 PM 1293 Views
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