Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive.
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM
Question: In Winters Heart, you mention that back in the Age of Legends, there were several other Forsaken that the Dark One had killed because he suspected they would betray him. What's their story?
Robert Jordan Answers: Forsaken was the name given to Aes Sedai who went over to the Shadow in the War of the Shadow at the end of the Age of Legends, though of course, they called themselves the Chosen, and despite the tales of the "current” Age, there were many more than a few of them. Since they occupied all sorts of levels, you might say that many were equivalent to some of the lesser Dreadlords, but it would be incorrect to call them so. At the time, they were all Forsaken—or Chosen—from the greatest to the least.
Some of those Forsaken the Dark One killed were every bit as high-ranking as the thirteen who were remembered, and who you might say constituted a large part of the Dark One's General Staff at the time of the sealing. With the Forsaken, where treachery and backstabbing were an acceptable way of getting ahead, the turnover in the upper ranks was fairly high, though Ishamael, Demandred, Lanfear, Graendal, Semirhage, and later Sammael, were always at the top end of the pyramid. They were very skilled at personal survival, politically and physically.
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Robert Jordan Answers: Forsaken was the name given to Aes Sedai who went over to the Shadow in the War of the Shadow at the end of the Age of Legends, though of course, they called themselves the Chosen, and despite the tales of the "current” Age, there were many more than a few of them. Since they occupied all sorts of levels, you might say that many were equivalent to some of the lesser Dreadlords, but it would be incorrect to call them so. At the time, they were all Forsaken—or Chosen—from the greatest to the least.
Some of those Forsaken the Dark One killed were every bit as high-ranking as the thirteen who were remembered, and who you might say constituted a large part of the Dark One's General Staff at the time of the sealing. With the Forsaken, where treachery and backstabbing were an acceptable way of getting ahead, the turnover in the upper ranks was fairly high, though Ishamael, Demandred, Lanfear, Graendal, Semirhage, and later Sammael, were always at the top end of the pyramid. They were very skilled at personal survival, politically and physically.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words...
- 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM
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The two of you are pathetic
- 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM
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Your problem is...
- 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
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No.
- 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM
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And now he's not "blind" anymore
- 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM
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You know, I agree
- 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM
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But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken.
- 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM
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I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective
- 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM
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I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?)
- 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM
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And I agree with Rand al'Thor.
- 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM
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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
- 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
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WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world
- 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM
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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too!
- 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government...
- 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM
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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
- 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
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Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic.
- 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM
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See my response to Cannoli. *NM*
- 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM
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That was barely a response...
- 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM
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There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress
- 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM
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Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
- 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
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Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
- 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM
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Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
- 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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Actually, it's why they're still alive.
- 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM
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Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive.
- 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM
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Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive.
- 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM
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Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive?
- 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM
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Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD.
- 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM
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It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power
- 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM
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I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites.
- 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM
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Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL.
- 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM
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I agree with your second half
- 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM
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I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage
- 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM
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So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked?
- 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM
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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
- 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM
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Don't avoid the question...
- 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM
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- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
- 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM
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Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
- 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM
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- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
- 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
- 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM
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Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
- 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM
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He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin .
- 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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.
- 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
- 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
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The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS
- 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM
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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and
- 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
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How many people
- 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM
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At least two.
- 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM
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Re: At least two.
- 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM
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Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order
- 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM
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