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I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM
It makes no real sense that the Moridin first wanted Semirhage to capture Rand with the DB in KoD (as stated in TGS, prologue). Then SH actually frees Semirhage to try it again. Exactly in the moment, when she succeeds, when Rand is breaking, since he is killing Min, the DO would prevent this by saving Min and killing Semirhage due to giving Rand access to the TP.

It makes more sense that Rand managed to take the TP through the link to Moridin and that the Shadow couldn't foresee this. If Rand wouldn't have done this, the Shadow had likely won, because Rand would be a prisoner at SG, tortured by Semirhage, and Min dead.
This message last edited by Etzel on 25/07/2010 at 08:37:35 AM
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death RabidWombat - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1680 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed Etzel - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 888 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* Kieran - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 282 Views
Re: No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:19:26 AM 284 Views
I disagree about the TP aspect darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 795 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM 789 Views
It's an interesting theory in either direction darius_sedai - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 739 Views
Re: It's an interesting theory in either direction Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:17:35 AM 580 Views
BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:24:26 AM 604 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." DomA - 27/07/2010 03:48:32 AM 631 Views
Re: BS said "there will be consequences from Rand's True Power use." Datakim - 27/07/2010 04:18:34 AM 582 Views
You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. redhand - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 654 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 612 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect BlackAdder - 26/07/2010 01:22:30 AM 616 Views
Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim - 26/07/2010 02:30:11 AM 588 Views
^^^what Datakim said^^^ darius_sedai - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 610 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books RabidWombat - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 688 Views
You were right the first time DomA - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 713 Views
I think the question is... Etzel - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 635 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 12:43:44 AM 627 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:15:29 AM 639 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 02:10:41 AM 611 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:17:01 AM 679 Views
Re: I think the question is... DomA - 27/07/2010 05:08:59 AM 687 Views
Re: I think the question is... Datakim - 27/07/2010 05:59:37 PM 637 Views
I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 673 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Etzel - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 596 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Datakim - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 601 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key Lord Haart - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 685 Views
But if this was the plan... Etzel - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 596 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it Matrimony Cauthon - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 673 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 614 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 564 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 582 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 266 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 533 Views
Are you certain? Fanatic-Templar - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 581 Views
Re: Are you certain? Sidious - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 626 Views
Re: Are you certain? Datakim - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 575 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* Japhy - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 244 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 558 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 587 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM 605 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 03:17:49 AM 621 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim - 27/07/2010 03:39:07 AM 593 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 04:26:31 AM 608 Views
Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 680 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true DomA - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 634 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Sidious - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 557 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 597 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 606 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? Sidious - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 605 Views
If their plan of taking Rand to Shayol Ghul suceeded then the CK was no longer needed Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 03:39:58 PM 600 Views
Could be simple. How do you find an object that "lies hidden"? Mik - 27/07/2010 04:17:35 PM 581 Views
It could be, but I would still think they would have noticed the CK sitting next to the male a'dam Matrimony Cauthon - 27/07/2010 04:34:45 PM 570 Views
Not if Moridin sensed it, instead of seeing it. Mik - 27/07/2010 08:12:25 PM 577 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key DomA - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 557 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 572 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 599 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 556 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series Sidious - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 602 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series HyogaRott - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 553 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. TaskmasterJack - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 522 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability DomA - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 889 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* RabidWombat - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 265 Views
That last line had me laughing! (right on the money too, by the way) *NM* Mik - 27/07/2010 02:58:20 PM 247 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 582 Views
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