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Re: I disagree about the TP aspect Datakim Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 04:03:45 PM

The more I think about it the less I believe it is possible for the TP to be accessed through the link without the DO allowing it. Sure the link may have enabled the situation, but the DO could have shut Rand down pretty easily if he'd wanted too. The TP is essence of the DO so I have a hard time believing Rand could have used it without him immediately knowing what was up.


BS:

Matt: There was some confusion about Rand and the Dark One’s permission, so for clarification’s sake, did Rand have the Dark One’s permission to use the True Power?
Brandon: I have not answered that. If anyone says that I have, I have not. What I have said specifically is, this is recording: generally one must have the Dark One’s permission to use the True Power. Semirhage believed that the Dark One had betrayed her by letting Rand use it. It is good that you have asked this so I can make sure on the record that is the answer I have given.


This quote from BS makes it pretty clear that while "generally" what you say is true, there are apparently some rare/obscure exceptions where TP can be used even without permission from the DO. I think the idea with the theory that Rand used TP without permission is that his link with Moridin allowed him to "steal" TP from the DO using Moridin as a TP-angreal, and this is what BS had in mind when he answered this question.

Basically, from the POV of the Dark One, it was Moridin who channeled TP so the DO did not realise what was happening until it was too late. If true this would ofcourse mean that by cutting Moridin off from TP would also cut off Rand so its not really a true way of using TP withour permission, it just means that so long as one of the two (Rand or Moridin) has permission, then that permission is automatically given to the other too whether the DO likes it or not.

So the DO could prevent Rand from using TP, but if he did he would basically lose Moridin, since as addicted to TP as Moridin is, cutting him off would most likely end up killing him sooner or later.


Personally I think the DO simply took advantage of the situation and sacrificed Semirhage when he realized he had an opportunity to get Rand addicted to the TP. As the quote in the original post points out the goal was to capture and TURN your opponents piece, sacrificing your own pieces in order to achieve it.


Yep. This is the other theory. I think at this point both theories could be true. I am looking forward to finding out which one actually is.
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foreshadowing of Semirhage's death - 25/07/2010 07:13:48 AM 1816 Views
I don't think that Semirhage was sacrificed - 25/07/2010 08:36:47 AM 1021 Views
No, too tired to give reasons... *NM* - 25/07/2010 09:30:46 AM 351 Views
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I disagree about the TP aspect - 25/07/2010 03:30:37 PM 946 Views
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It's an interesting theory in either direction - 25/07/2010 04:54:31 PM 876 Views
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You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 01:48:37 AM 792 Views
Re: You can't expect BS to give away things with 2 books to go. - 26/07/2010 02:24:29 AM 760 Views
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^^^what Datakim said^^^ - 26/07/2010 06:58:02 PM 744 Views
I don't know if Semirhage was sacrificed or not. Either way the Semirhage quote set up tGS 6 books - 26/07/2010 02:29:59 AM 830 Views
You were right the first time - 26/07/2010 03:02:22 AM 874 Views
I think the question is... - 26/07/2010 08:27:17 AM 791 Views
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I'd say that there was a pre-meditated plan or backup plan to sacrifice Semirhage - 26/07/2010 09:02:44 AM 845 Views
I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 09:17:11 AM 758 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:10:43 PM 740 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 26/07/2010 12:27:11 PM 820 Views
But if this was the plan... - 26/07/2010 12:30:37 PM 747 Views
Moridin and SH knew that the CK could never defeat the dark one so they were happy to leave it - 26/07/2010 05:56:56 PM 887 Views
Unlikely, and stupid if true - 26/07/2010 06:12:30 PM 746 Views
That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 12:11:46 AM 702 Views
Re: That wasn't the Choedan Kal, that was Shadar Logoth. - 27/07/2010 01:29:29 AM 717 Views
I fail to see the relevance. *NM* - 27/07/2010 02:06:27 AM 322 Views
the relevance is that it was impossible without the CK - 27/07/2010 05:25:45 AM 682 Views
Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 05:37:28 AM 722 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 03:00:51 PM 776 Views
Re: Are you certain? - 27/07/2010 06:17:59 PM 734 Views
key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 307 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:36:53 AM 695 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 02:19:22 AM 736 Views
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Something still doesn't make sense in that theory though - 27/07/2010 07:15:22 AM 832 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 01:44:19 AM 797 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 05:31:03 AM 687 Views
Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true - 27/07/2010 03:53:20 PM 731 Views
??? The CK in the hands of a madman is exactly what the Dark One needs to destroy the pattern - 27/07/2010 07:01:13 AM 745 Views
So why not give it to Moridin then? - 27/07/2010 10:54:47 AM 759 Views
Re: I think SH simply didn't care about the CK access key - 27/07/2010 12:10:01 AM 700 Views
This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 704 Views
Sorry I missed them. I would have been happy enough to comment there. - 27/07/2010 03:43:46 AM 747 Views
Considering there are years and years worth of comments... - 27/07/2010 02:49:42 PM 726 Views
Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 04:27:14 PM 762 Views
Re: Hands up if you don't believe in foreshadowing in this series - 26/07/2010 10:34:18 PM 693 Views
Prophesying, but not foreshadowing. - 27/07/2010 12:06:06 AM 647 Views
You confuse foreshadowing and predictability - 27/07/2010 02:57:15 AM 1064 Views
I agree with DomA *NM* *NM* - 27/07/2010 03:44:51 AM 332 Views
I don't believe in foreshadowing that you can figure out from the actual plot. - 27/07/2010 08:42:11 PM 717 Views

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