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Re: Unlikely, and stupid if true Datakim Send a noteboard - 27/07/2010 02:43:39 AM

Maybe (that's what I actually think is the most likely) but it's not necessarily right.

SH causes such terror (look at Alviarin) that Elza was very likely on "cruise control", merely obeying orders and questionning nothing. The last thing on her mind would have been "personal initiative". With SH, Alviarin didn't think straight and try to look her best, she lost all her means and grovelled.

Shaidar Haran may not have been in the room with Elza, and Elza strictly obeyed its orders to steal the DB and bring it to him.

Or if SH was with her, he may have had no idea or interest in the statuette beside the DB. He didn't care to ask Elza what it might be, he was there to fetch the object with which Semirhage was to capture Rand and didn't get disctrated by anything else. Not very human of him not to be curious about that object in the warded trunk, but as RJ pointed out, Shai'tan doesn't think like a human being.


Maybe, but not sure I buy that. Yes, SH causes great terror, but Alviarin also believed that he was the DO. Generally in such a situation you would expect the darkfriend to do anything in his or her power to please SH. Giving the most powerfull sa'angreal to the shadow would certainly qualify. And while Elza may have been terrified, she had to have been atleast mostly stable, or she would not have managed to unravel Cadsuanes complex wards. Surely that would have taken a lot focus and concentration.

Still, you may be right that Elza was just so shellshocked that she could not think straight. She might just have unraveled the ward on "autopilot" or something. I also recall that BS also said Elza was given access to rare weaves to break Cadsuanes ward, which was "unpleasant" for her. I don't know what that means exactly but it could have messed with her mind even further.

I doubt however that Shaidar Haran is THAT alien. I think if he was there in the room, he would have noticed the access key. We have had POVs from SH and his thought patterns were not completely bizarre. He has intelligence even if he is not human. Realising the importance of the access key should be withing his grasp. He would be a pretty pathetic godly avatar otherwise I think.

Hmm. One other thing that does occur to me is the compulsion Elza was under. SH noticed it, and Semirhage did remove it, but only AFTER Elza had fetched the access key. Is it possible that Elza did notice the access key, but Verin's compulsion kicked in and prevented Elza from taking it since doing so would have been against "serving Rand".
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key word is "necessary" *NM* - 27/07/2010 05:14:19 AM 264 Views
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This has been seen and commented before, by myself and others. - 26/07/2010 03:36:51 PM 614 Views
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