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Nice end to Lan's part. Will update soon!

Well, it feels really nice to be right. Partially, at least!

The fact that Graendal had a PoV, and escaped Rand's huge Balefire attack with just a broken ankle to show, was definitely the highlight of this Prologue!

For once, I was actually scared of one of the Foresaken. This woman knows her job, alright! If only she had had a more major role before! Or maybe not, as a surprise big-wig, she's excellent!

So it turns out Rand did surprise her, though she figured out Nynaeve waskind of behind it almost at once. Then, true to character, she played it safe, in an impressive manner. If only Rahvin, Sammael and Be'lal had had this much sense, they'd have beaten Rand long ago! I do wish they'd had her come up with a good reason for using Delana though. That part was a little weak.

And Graendal now wants Nynaeve dead. It seems we'll see an epic fight between Nynaeve and a Foresaken after all!

Perrin's part was actually interesting to me. I'm unsurprised there's some distance between him and Faile. His story looks set to move in interesting directions.

Lan and Galad were nice, though Lan's part was too short, for my liking. I'd like to have had a longer PoV featuring him.

The final scene in the Blightborder was awesome. The dismal landscape and the hopeless bravery... this is the kind of stuff that screams the LB is approaching.

On the whole, a very nice prologue, and I'm very very glad Graendal is alive and seeking revenge. She is the First Foresaken who seems aware of Nynaeve and Egwene. She now has personal cause not only against Rand but Nyn as well. She also seems to plan to kill Min. Can it be that Graendal is part of Rand's entourage now? I doubt she remained behind in Arad Doman.

It is also interesting that she has the use of the TP again. And she can shield Delana and Aran'gar, wrap them in Air, and weave a Gateway all at once. Another little proof that I was right about how strong the strongest women are.
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Towers of Midnight : Prologue discussion - 21/09/2010 04:38:40 AM 8281 Views
Me Too! Guess who is alive!! - 21/09/2010 04:44:40 AM 2060 Views
A dove, that's weird - 21/09/2010 03:19:10 PM 1811 Views
Re: A dove, that's weird - 21/09/2010 03:26:39 PM 1740 Views
Yes, that's the point - 21/09/2010 11:49:00 PM 1608 Views
It did feel a bit deus ex machina - 22/09/2010 12:03:05 AM 1713 Views
Fain is as creepy as ever - 21/09/2010 05:06:35 AM 1809 Views
You all can go to heck (and find me a link!) *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:10:47 AM 1152 Views
Re: You all can go to heck (and find me a link!) - 21/09/2010 05:14:26 AM 1922 Views
It's D/L on B&N now *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:15:44 AM 1041 Views
Anyone find the audiobook version? *NM* - 21/09/2010 10:20:22 AM 1012 Views
I love the borderlanders - 21/09/2010 05:25:29 AM 1791 Views
Best scene of the prologue *NM* - 21/09/2010 03:28:28 PM 1103 Views
Could somebody post a link to where they got it? I want to go to a site where I can download now *NM* - 21/09/2010 05:39:13 AM 1008 Views
I posted some links here - 21/09/2010 06:04:38 AM 1636 Views
My quick summary - 21/09/2010 06:02:41 AM 2405 Views
Whoa, whoa, whoa. - 23/09/2010 02:59:37 AM 1482 Views
It's good, but... Perrin. Ugh. - 21/09/2010 07:37:43 AM 1828 Views
Awesome! - 21/09/2010 09:00:45 AM 1586 Views
Regarding Graendal - 21/09/2010 10:12:42 AM 2098 Views
Some things... - 21/09/2010 01:18:10 PM 1645 Views
I'm glad. Being right is a good feeling - 21/09/2010 04:12:08 PM 1613 Views
a very weak angreal - 21/09/2010 04:55:15 PM 1605 Views
Even a weak angreal - 21/09/2010 05:47:26 PM 1563 Views
The Angreal Elayne mentions made her 2x as strong as Nynaeve - 21/09/2010 06:04:21 PM 1425 Views
The laughter in Perrin's Dream - 21/09/2010 02:24:14 PM 1689 Views
Probably Slayer - 21/09/2010 04:29:41 PM 1561 Views
Re: Probably Slayer - 21/09/2010 04:39:36 PM 1371 Views
Audio Book - 21/09/2010 06:39:54 PM 1509 Views
Not even Ishamael could shield another male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time... - 21/09/2010 06:46:42 PM 1712 Views
It's different (I think?) but I'm certainly no expert and I'm sure someone else will reply - 21/09/2010 06:57:18 PM 1607 Views
OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not - 21/09/2010 07:00:23 PM 1424 Views
Re: OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not. - 21/09/2010 07:11:42 PM 1538 Views
Thanks. Was Arangar channeling at the time? - 21/09/2010 07:13:53 PM 1509 Views
I think so, yes. - 21/09/2010 07:15:44 PM 1444 Views
I don't think so actually - 21/09/2010 07:57:42 PM 1553 Views
I don't think Aran'gar was channeling - 21/09/2010 11:00:22 PM 1498 Views
I don't think she even closed her Gateway. It think it was BF'd *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:52:01 PM 876 Views
no she wasn't *NM* - 21/09/2010 10:25:13 PM 986 Views
nope, no power - 23/09/2010 03:05:30 AM 1361 Views
So here's what happens... - 21/09/2010 07:15:03 PM 1884 Views
Thanks. A few comments... - 21/09/2010 07:27:33 PM 1383 Views
I don't rule out the angreal... - 21/09/2010 07:32:40 PM 1424 Views
Elayne's weakest angreal doubles her strength. Graendal x2 can easily shield Cyndane+Moggy, so... - 21/09/2010 07:35:06 PM 1541 Views
Graendal's seemed much weaker... - 21/09/2010 07:52:20 PM 1415 Views
Elayne also called the x2 turtle angreal "weak"... - 21/09/2010 08:00:01 PM 1420 Views
and we know it wasn't enough to overwhlem Verin's circle - 21/09/2010 08:02:13 PM 1280 Views
I disasgree. There is no evidence that Aran'gar was holding saidin at the time - 21/09/2010 07:42:23 PM 1357 Views
Then why did she gasp at the shield? She couldn't have known what Graendal was weaving. - 21/09/2010 07:52:49 PM 1386 Views
because she was surprised that Graendal would put a shield on her in the first place - 21/09/2010 07:58:45 PM 1427 Views
How did she know there was a shield? - 21/09/2010 09:16:59 PM 1362 Views
Fact: Graendal cannot shield a male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai if they are holding the Source... - 21/09/2010 09:28:17 PM 1375 Views
Who said "they"? - 21/09/2010 09:55:28 PM 1346 Views
I really don't think you have to be holding the source to know you've been shielded - 21/09/2010 10:29:20 PM 1299 Views
Provide evidence? - 21/09/2010 10:36:36 PM 1374 Views
Thanks, but like I said, they were both wrapped in air. That's enough for Aran'gar to wonder - 21/09/2010 10:44:17 PM 1282 Views
They gasped before Graendal wove Air... - 21/09/2010 11:13:48 PM 1334 Views
Alright, you win *NM* - 22/09/2010 02:51:26 AM 924 Views
*NM* - 22/09/2010 03:06:22 AM 796 Views
Siuan was distracted by a number of other things going on, not to mention how suspect - 22/09/2010 02:43:36 PM 1263 Views
And Aran'gar was fully focussed on Graendal? - 22/09/2010 03:02:16 PM 1490 Views
More so than Siuan was on Elaida when they were shielded. - 22/09/2010 03:33:15 PM 2285 Views
So? - 22/09/2010 03:48:11 PM 1213 Views
It doesn't matter. There are more Shieldings that go unnoticed when not holding the Source - 22/09/2010 03:55:48 PM 1310 Views
Nice catches! - 22/09/2010 04:06:52 PM 1410 Views
we don't know that - 22/09/2010 02:35:50 PM 1334 Views
Huh? - 22/09/2010 03:03:52 PM 1292 Views
Give over, Darius... there's plenty of evidence... - 22/09/2010 03:45:11 PM 1346 Views
Give over what? There is no hard evidence that Aran'gar wouldn't notice a shield put on her - 22/09/2010 05:00:11 PM 1251 Views
What rot... (also, Egwene and Rand) - 22/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 1338 Views
take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:38:21 PM 1334 Views
Re: take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. - 22/09/2010 05:45:05 PM 1435 Views
if it was JUST one shield ... but she's shielding an AS and weaving a Gateway too! - 22/09/2010 05:48:52 PM 3379 Views
Well... - 22/09/2010 07:00:26 PM 1378 Views
She says... - 22/09/2010 07:04:32 PM 1389 Views
no one is arguing that - 22/09/2010 07:09:17 PM 1333 Views
Er... - 22/09/2010 07:19:09 PM 1287 Views
I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:20:48 PM 2111 Views
Re: I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded - 22/09/2010 07:26:52 PM 2075 Views
Again, I just find that option completely unlikely since Graendals angreal isn't all that strong - 22/09/2010 07:39:02 PM 1340 Views
You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 01:53:25 AM 1413 Views
Re: You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. - 23/09/2010 03:42:31 PM 1320 Views
- 23/09/2010 03:54:02 PM 1328 Views
Re: . The evidence is that no channeled is that strong! - 23/09/2010 04:04:02 PM 1443 Views
Really? - 23/09/2010 06:11:00 PM 1390 Views
Re: Really? - 23/09/2010 09:56:09 PM 1287 Views
That's my point *NM* - 24/09/2010 12:20:45 AM 930 Views
Re: She says... - 22/09/2010 07:12:48 PM 1337 Views
Exactly. - 23/09/2010 01:54:05 AM 1305 Views
The way it reads she is holding open a Gateway, then slams shields on both - 22/09/2010 07:08:17 PM 1313 Views
Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:46:19 PM 1397 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 05:53:05 PM 1282 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 22/09/2010 07:03:02 PM 1277 Views
Nope - 22/09/2010 07:19:30 PM 1187 Views
Re: Nope - 23/09/2010 02:06:35 AM 1328 Views
Toveine! Now THAT is a good catch, fionwe! - 23/09/2010 07:57:05 AM 1449 Views
Sidious pointed it out, actually. But thanks! - 23/09/2010 03:55:29 PM 1328 Views
And you ignore all the evidence in the series that definitively makes it impossible for Graendal to - 23/09/2010 03:57:49 PM 1223 Views
Well... - 23/09/2010 04:31:27 PM 1416 Views
According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal - 24/09/2010 11:18:30 PM 1521 Views
Re: According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal - 25/09/2010 09:38:41 AM 1369 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... - 24/09/2010 03:20:49 AM 1495 Views
Oh come on.. be real - 22/09/2010 05:39:51 PM 1307 Views
see that's an argument that makes more sense to me - 22/09/2010 05:47:17 PM 1385 Views
Re: How did she know there was a shield? - 24/09/2010 04:42:25 AM 1315 Views
You'[re missing the part about the bonds of air as well - 21/09/2010 11:06:04 PM 1322 Views
No. The sequence was shield-gasp-tie off shield-wrap in Air. *NM* - 21/09/2010 11:14:41 PM 960 Views
We have seen people holding the source caught off guard by a shield *NM* - 22/09/2010 12:10:48 AM 929 Views
Well, exactly! - 22/09/2010 02:01:12 AM 1387 Views
What I think happened - 22/09/2010 09:19:57 AM 1340 Views
It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 10:06:47 AM 1299 Views
Re: It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... - 22/09/2010 01:31:52 PM 1390 Views
Fair point. - 22/09/2010 02:07:05 PM 1382 Views
I think it also bears mentioning that ... - 22/09/2010 04:17:17 PM 1373 Views
Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM 1281 Views
About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 05:51:34 PM 2390 Views
Re: About shielding a channeler holding the Source... - 22/09/2010 07:04:37 PM 2837 Views
The angreal makes this an unnecessary debate... - 22/09/2010 07:09:20 PM 1281 Views
she never shielded them - 22/09/2010 07:22:29 PM 1289 Views
True...But it made her strong enough to easily overcome both... - 22/09/2010 07:28:12 PM 1239 Views
This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned - 22/09/2010 07:51:19 PM 1334 Views
Re: This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned - 22/09/2010 07:54:18 PM 1294 Views
LMAO... nice! - 22/09/2010 08:24:20 PM 1314 Views
I think we need to place Aran'gar lower too.. - 22/09/2010 07:10:29 PM 1369 Views
A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 22/09/2010 07:13:51 PM 1237 Views
I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:22:50 PM 1374 Views
Re: I would agree - 22/09/2010 07:25:46 PM 1241 Views
Re: A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... - 23/09/2010 03:03:26 AM 1293 Views
Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:23:53 PM 1289 Views
Re: Mostly agree - 22/09/2010 07:28:42 PM 1255 Views
I am starting to believe that RJ didn't think quite so literally - 22/09/2010 08:07:45 PM 1308 Views
Not sure if you agreed with this before, but I reached this point awhile ago bwahaha - 22/09/2010 08:53:42 PM 1318 Views
I've been on this side for a good long while - 22/09/2010 09:40:43 PM 1425 Views
*NM* - 28/09/2010 11:54:54 PM 879 Views
Well there is one thing to consider about this - 21/09/2010 07:32:44 PM 1563 Views
So there are 6 Forsaken left. - 21/09/2010 10:23:22 PM 1582 Views
For the record - 21/09/2010 10:53:16 PM 1479 Views
She opened two Gateways, IIRC - 21/09/2010 11:58:29 PM 1374 Views
Re: She opened two Gateways, IIRC - 22/09/2010 02:21:47 AM 1415 Views
Wait...so NO ONE has wanted to discuss the Sapphic scene at Graendal's place? - 22/09/2010 03:48:36 AM 1529 Views
yes, totally Lesbian. *NM* - 22/09/2010 03:04:16 PM 922 Views
No, the other L word. "LesbiAHNS?" *NM* - 22/09/2010 04:18:55 PM 980 Views
Yes, it was totally lesbian. - 22/09/2010 07:09:19 PM 1351 Views
No, not at all. Aran'gar is still a dude at heart. I think. *NM* - 22/09/2010 08:18:55 PM 951 Views
I tend to agree - 23/09/2010 05:42:52 PM 1353 Views
Lady parts + Lady parts = Lesbian sex - 24/09/2010 11:24:36 PM 1951 Views
Yes, but its still a little off - 25/09/2010 09:40:16 AM 1400 Views
Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose - 25/09/2010 04:41:33 PM 1557 Views
Re: Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose - 25/09/2010 05:25:10 PM 1431 Views
What does Graendal think of Rand? - 22/09/2010 02:00:28 PM 1516 Views
She was really surprised and scared. - 22/09/2010 02:11:28 PM 1475 Views
I take it you haven't read the Prologue. - 22/09/2010 02:16:49 PM 1370 Views
Quite a bit... - 22/09/2010 02:31:14 PM 1513 Views
Agreed, she's been worrying about him since the begining - 22/09/2010 03:18:48 PM 1537 Views
Thanks for the answers *NM* - 22/09/2010 05:46:05 PM 885 Views
Second best prologue ever... - 22/09/2010 06:24:44 PM 1745 Views
It's my favorite ever. Only one dark spot tarnished it. - 22/09/2010 07:18:12 PM 1394 Views
Yeah, tEotW is the best... - 22/09/2010 08:22:12 PM 1417 Views
Aran'gar is a tool - 22/09/2010 07:31:36 PM 1547 Views
Yes. s/He was. - 22/09/2010 08:59:16 PM 1390 Views
Shadow invading Kandor and Lan riding trough it. CONNECTION? - 22/09/2010 08:36:05 PM 1506 Views
- 23/09/2010 04:47:11 PM 1442 Views
Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO - 23/09/2010 05:45:41 PM 1472 Views
Re: Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO - 23/09/2010 09:54:33 PM 1452 Views
I believe that Sanderson concocted the entire Graendal/Rand/Balefire part - 23/09/2010 10:24:46 PM 2089 Views
I had a similar thought, but... - 23/09/2010 10:40:58 PM 1403 Views
Probably not Sanderson - 23/09/2010 11:11:54 PM 1436 Views
No way - 24/09/2010 07:14:35 AM 1358 Views
I agree. *NM* - 25/09/2010 09:42:46 AM 926 Views
A few nits - 12/10/2010 10:21:27 AM 1352 Views
Canadian Download site - 29/09/2010 12:05:12 AM 1847 Views

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