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Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted malekithe Send a noteboard - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM

I think its pretty clear that Aran'gar was holding saidin if she gasped. It's a recurrent reaction we've seen when a channeler is suddenly shielded and loses their connection with the Source.

I also don't think that strength is a primary determinant here. Graendal is immensely skilled. Aran'gar was facing the window and unprepared. We know that channelers can shield one another if they are of equal strength. IMO Graendal is stronger or equal to her and overwhelmed her with sheer speed and surprise. Whether she used the angreal is difficult say, but the author usually mentions if a channeler pulls through one.

We also don't know whether she shielded Delana and Aran'gar at the exact same time, or did it quickly and sequentially. She's certainly fast enough to pull off two shields that look like a single weaving.

Anyway, I don't find it a big stretch for a female Forsaken to shield a male. I think it's been a well established fact that the females are close to the males in strength, and Graendal is near to the top of all channeling strengths.

If it was that easy for Graendal to incapacitate Balthamel (and an Aes Sedai at the same time), then the Moghediens, Mesaanas, Asmodeans etc. of this world would not have existed for very long.

Not to mention what more powerful channelers than Graendal (Ishamael, Cyndane, Lanfear etc) could have done to them.

I mean, Rand himself said that just shielding two normal Aes Sedai is no trifling matter of the Power, let alone shielding a Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time.

Anyway, I just question what this would imply for the ability of weaker members of the Forsaken to survive for any length of time.


But it is that easy. It's been made clear on several occasions that the Forsaken are at maximum readiness while they're around each other. Even very powerful Forsaken like Sammael, Lanfear and Rahvin fill themselves to the brim with the One Power when they're around each other. They prepare counter weaves and hold them in place and watch each other intently. It only takes one slip, and I do believe Aran'gar may be the first true example of this that we've seen in the series. She did the worst thing possible - she allowed herself to be distracted by Rand, turned away and allowed Graendal to be placed behind her. Such a small thing is all that was needed for Graendal to have the upper hand, and ultimately led to Aran'gar's downfall. I do think that many Forsaken fell in such a casual manner, which is why channelers like the Forsaken survived. They never ever let their guard down. It must be very stressful.

If they're ready around each other, then none of these Forsaken can take each other on, but even Rahvin alluded to the danger of having Lanfear behind him. He could very easily have died in that scene had Lanfear not wished to speak with him. He didn't even know she was there until she spoke. Aran'gar is the end-point of what I've always suspected would happen to someone like that if they became too comfortable around Graendal.


Graendal saw that Aran'gar was distracted, her back was turned to her, that alone was enough for Graendal to think she could shield Aran'gar.

It would be like two swordsmen who are nearly identical in skill, but if one of then turns their back to the other then he is going to get himself killed.

I agree that usually the Chosen are all filled with the Power and on alert around each other normally because they know what will happen if they don't pay attention. In this case Aran'gar had no idea what Rand was doing and was totally focused on him. Also she had no good reason to believe that Graendal would go against her, if anything she might think that Graendal would link with her to oppose Rand or bail with her.

I feel that Aran'gar was either not holding the source (to keep a low profile so Rand wouldn't wonder why someone was holding onto Saidin very strongly when no one should be doing that in Natrin's Barrow) and she gasped because she saw Graendal weav a gateway and then she immediately tried to seize the source & found out she'd been shielded OR she was holding onto the source, but not to her full capacity as she had no intention of confronting Rand nor making a beacon of Saidin for him to see.

Either way Graendal realized Aran'gar was distracted by Rand and that was enough for her to shield her. As for Delana she probably was not even holding the source before Graendal wove the gateway because she knew Graendal would see her holding it and be suspicious of why she dared to in front of her.
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a very weak angreal darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 04:55:15 PM 1613 Views
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The Angreal Elayne mentions made her 2x as strong as Nynaeve darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 06:04:21 PM 1432 Views
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Audio Book Matt_at_Heart - 21/09/2010 06:39:54 PM 1514 Views
Not even Ishamael could shield another male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time... Shannow - 21/09/2010 06:46:42 PM 1718 Views
It's different (I think?) but I'm certainly no expert and I'm sure someone else will reply Deadsy - 21/09/2010 06:57:18 PM 1612 Views
OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:00:23 PM 1428 Views
Re: OK, I haven't read the scene, so I don't know if Arangar was holding saidin at the time or not. Deadsy - 21/09/2010 07:11:42 PM 1542 Views
Thanks. Was Arangar channeling at the time? Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:13:53 PM 1516 Views
I think so, yes. fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:15:44 PM 1449 Views
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I don't think Aran'gar was channeling Ryan - 21/09/2010 11:00:22 PM 1504 Views
I don't think she even closed her Gateway. It think it was BF'd *NM* BlackAdder - 21/09/2010 11:52:01 PM 880 Views
Re: I don't think she even closed her Gateway. It think it was BF'd Heiko - 22/09/2010 02:57:02 AM 1387 Views
no she wasn't *NM* Deadsy - 21/09/2010 10:25:13 PM 989 Views
nope, no power newyorkersedai - 23/09/2010 03:05:30 AM 1366 Views
So here's what happens... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:15:03 PM 1889 Views
Thanks. A few comments... Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:27:33 PM 1388 Views
I don't rule out the angreal... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:32:40 PM 1428 Views
Elayne's weakest angreal doubles her strength. Graendal x2 can easily shield Cyndane+Moggy, so... Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:35:06 PM 1546 Views
Graendal's seemed much weaker... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:52:20 PM 1420 Views
Elayne also called the x2 turtle angreal "weak"... Shannow - 21/09/2010 08:00:01 PM 1427 Views
and we know it wasn't enough to overwhlem Verin's circle darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 08:02:13 PM 1284 Views
I disasgree. There is no evidence that Aran'gar was holding saidin at the time darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 07:42:23 PM 1362 Views
Then why did she gasp at the shield? She couldn't have known what Graendal was weaving. fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 07:52:49 PM 1392 Views
because she was surprised that Graendal would put a shield on her in the first place darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 07:58:45 PM 1431 Views
How did she know there was a shield? fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 09:16:59 PM 1367 Views
Fact: Graendal cannot shield a male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai if they are holding the Source... Shannow - 21/09/2010 09:28:17 PM 1379 Views
Who said "they"? fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 09:55:28 PM 1353 Views
Depends on the level of surprise, I guess. If he was only holding a trickle of saidin, then maybe Shannow - 21/09/2010 10:05:37 PM 1398 Views
I don't think strength is the only determinant... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 10:24:24 PM 1382 Views
I really don't think you have to be holding the source to know you've been shielded Deadsy - 21/09/2010 10:29:20 PM 1308 Views
Provide evidence? fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 10:36:36 PM 1381 Views
Thanks, but like I said, they were both wrapped in air. That's enough for Aran'gar to wonder Deadsy - 21/09/2010 10:44:17 PM 1287 Views
They gasped before Graendal wove Air... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 11:13:48 PM 1340 Views
Alright, you win *NM* Deadsy - 22/09/2010 02:51:26 AM 927 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 03:06:22 AM 799 Views
Siuan was distracted by a number of other things going on, not to mention how suspect darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 02:43:36 PM 1269 Views
And Aran'gar was fully focussed on Graendal? fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 03:02:16 PM 1495 Views
More so than Siuan was on Elaida when they were shielded. darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 03:33:15 PM 2291 Views
So? fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 03:48:11 PM 1217 Views
It doesn't matter. There are more Shieldings that go unnoticed when not holding the Source Mik - 22/09/2010 03:55:48 PM 1316 Views
Nice catches! fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 04:06:52 PM 1415 Views
we don't know that darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 02:35:50 PM 1341 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 03:03:52 PM 1297 Views
Give over, Darius... there's plenty of evidence... Mik - 22/09/2010 03:45:11 PM 1349 Views
Give over what? There is no hard evidence that Aran'gar wouldn't notice a shield put on her darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:00:11 PM 1255 Views
What rot... (also, Egwene and Rand) fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 1342 Views
take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:38:21 PM 1339 Views
Re: take a pill Fionwe ... no need to go batshit on me for having an opinion. Sidious - 22/09/2010 05:45:05 PM 1440 Views
if it was JUST one shield ... but she's shielding an AS and weaving a Gateway too! darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:48:52 PM 3383 Views
Well... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:00:26 PM 1385 Views
She says... fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 07:04:32 PM 1395 Views
no one is arguing that darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:09:17 PM 1339 Views
Er... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:19:09 PM 1293 Views
I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:20:48 PM 2116 Views
Re: I'm contending that it's possible Aran'gar snesed she'd been shielded Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:26:52 PM 2080 Views
Again, I just find that option completely unlikely since Graendals angreal isn't all that strong darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:39:02 PM 1345 Views
You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 01:53:25 AM 1418 Views
Re: You've made a long list of channelers "incompetant" and "untrained". Enough. darius_sedai - 23/09/2010 03:42:31 PM 1326 Views
fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 03:54:02 PM 1332 Views
Re: . The evidence is that no channeled is that strong! darius_sedai - 23/09/2010 04:04:02 PM 1450 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 06:11:00 PM 1395 Views
Re: Really? Sidious - 23/09/2010 09:56:09 PM 1291 Views
That's my point *NM* darius_sedai - 24/09/2010 12:20:45 AM 932 Views
Dear God! The sheer amount of replies here just blew my mind, and my window (jk). *NM* Bookwyrm - 24/09/2010 07:28:14 PM 947 Views
Y o u' r e h u r t i n g m y s c r o l l b a r *NM* Marshall - 24/09/2010 11:30:27 PM 953 Views
Re: She says... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:12:48 PM 1343 Views
Exactly. fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 01:54:05 AM 1310 Views
The way it reads she is holding open a Gateway, then slams shields on both darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:08:17 PM 1320 Views
Continue being irrational then... fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 05:46:19 PM 1401 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:53:05 PM 1285 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 07:03:02 PM 1281 Views
Nope darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:19:30 PM 1193 Views
Re: Nope fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 02:06:35 AM 1335 Views
Toveine! Now THAT is a good catch, fionwe! Mik - 23/09/2010 07:57:05 AM 1454 Views
Sidious pointed it out, actually. But thanks! fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 03:55:29 PM 1335 Views
And you ignore all the evidence in the series that definitively makes it impossible for Graendal to darius_sedai - 23/09/2010 03:57:49 PM 1233 Views
Well... Sidious - 23/09/2010 04:31:27 PM 1420 Views
According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal darius_sedai - 24/09/2010 11:18:30 PM 1527 Views
Re: According to Fionwe she isn't using the angreal Sidious - 25/09/2010 09:38:41 AM 1375 Views
Possible, but he specifically calls out when she ties off other weaves in the scene darius_sedai - 25/09/2010 04:28:48 PM 1404 Views
Re: Continue being irrational then... iHeartGraendal - 24/09/2010 03:20:49 AM 1499 Views
Oh come on.. be real Sidious - 22/09/2010 05:39:51 PM 1312 Views
see that's an argument that makes more sense to me darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 05:47:17 PM 1389 Views
Re: How did she know there was a shield? Gee69 - 24/09/2010 04:42:25 AM 1322 Views
You can sense the source when shielded. Entering a stedding you can't even sense it. *NM* Myrdhyn - 24/09/2010 02:46:09 PM 1035 Views
You'[re missing the part about the bonds of air as well Ryan - 21/09/2010 11:06:04 PM 1328 Views
No. The sequence was shield-gasp-tie off shield-wrap in Air. *NM* fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 11:14:41 PM 963 Views
We have seen people holding the source caught off guard by a shield *NM* Ryan - 22/09/2010 12:10:48 AM 932 Views
Well, exactly! fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 02:01:12 AM 1392 Views
Aran'gar and Delana were caught with their pants down by Graendal Ryan - 22/09/2010 06:40:41 AM 1600 Views
What I think happened Sidious - 22/09/2010 09:19:57 AM 1344 Views
It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... Shannow - 22/09/2010 10:06:47 AM 1303 Views
Re: It's not the male/female issue. It's a Forsaken vs Forsaken issue... Sidious - 22/09/2010 01:31:52 PM 1394 Views
Fair point. Shannow - 22/09/2010 02:07:05 PM 1386 Views
I think it also bears mentioning that ... Bookwyrm - 22/09/2010 04:17:17 PM 1378 Views
Graendal knew Aran'gar was distracted malekithe - 23/09/2010 07:10:52 AM 1286 Views
About shielding a channeler holding the Source... lilltempest - 22/09/2010 05:51:34 PM 2396 Views
Re: About shielding a channeler holding the Source... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:04:37 PM 2843 Views
The angreal makes this an unnecessary debate... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:09:20 PM 1286 Views
she never shielded them darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:22:29 PM 1297 Views
True...But it made her strong enough to easily overcome both... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:28:12 PM 1245 Views
This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:51:19 PM 1339 Views
Re: This I can believe ... it's just problematic since the angreal isn't mentioned Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:54:18 PM 1299 Views
LMAO... nice! darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 08:24:20 PM 1320 Views
I think we need to place Aran'gar lower too.. fionwe1987 - 22/09/2010 07:10:29 PM 1377 Views
A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:13:51 PM 1242 Views
I would agree Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:22:50 PM 1378 Views
Re: I would agree darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:25:46 PM 1245 Views
Re: A lot of unsubstantiated assumptions there... fionwe1987 - 23/09/2010 03:03:26 AM 1302 Views
Mostly agree darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 07:23:53 PM 1296 Views
Re: Mostly agree Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:28:42 PM 1259 Views
Ever wonder why Graendal was given an angreal in the first place... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:34:21 PM 1349 Views
Re: Ever wonder why Graendal was given an angreal in the first place... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:50:55 PM 1376 Views
I am starting to believe that RJ didn't think quite so literally darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 08:07:45 PM 1315 Views
Not sure if you agreed with this before, but I reached this point awhile ago bwahaha RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/09/2010 08:53:42 PM 1323 Views
I've been on this side for a good long while darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 09:40:43 PM 1429 Views
*NM* alanna aes sedai - 28/09/2010 11:54:54 PM 882 Views
Well there is one thing to consider about this darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 07:32:44 PM 1572 Views
Yes, that seems the most likely answer. That and the use of the angreal. Shannow - 21/09/2010 07:35:53 PM 1454 Views
Aren't female channelers more dexterous in weaving than male? So her speed could be part of that. *NM* Bookwyrm - 22/09/2010 03:42:56 AM 903 Views
Re: Not even Ishamael could shield another male Forsaken and an Aes Sedai at the same time... The Angry Druid - 01/10/2010 12:23:57 AM 1326 Views
I'm disappointed that the dove was not hidden in a background description in the tGS scene... Shannow - 21/09/2010 08:22:29 PM 1427 Views
I was thinking the same thing ... was actually just about to go look for it myself! darius_sedai - 21/09/2010 09:01:34 PM 1409 Views
I'm happy there wasn't... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 09:18:30 PM 1448 Views
Do you have more detail on Graendal's comments about Aginor's extensive use of the True Power? Shannow - 21/09/2010 09:23:48 PM 1418 Views
Re: Do you have more detail on Graendal's comments about Aginor's extensive use of the True Power? fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 09:52:07 PM 1520 Views
Very interesting. Another case of a character never utilised to his full potential in the series... Shannow - 21/09/2010 09:57:42 PM 1299 Views
True... fionwe1987 - 21/09/2010 10:02:59 PM 1301 Views
So there are 6 Forsaken left. Tom - 21/09/2010 10:23:22 PM 1586 Views
For the record Heiko - 21/09/2010 10:53:16 PM 1484 Views
She opened two Gateways, IIRC BlackAdder - 21/09/2010 11:58:29 PM 1378 Views
Re: She opened two Gateways, IIRC Heiko - 22/09/2010 02:21:47 AM 1419 Views
I am so glad Graendal is alive. I (& hopefully other "Graendal's Alive" supporters) feel vindicated. *NM* Bookwyrm - 22/09/2010 03:01:07 AM 1047 Views
Did anyone else feel that the Graendal scene was one big infodump? Marshall - 22/09/2010 03:32:44 AM 1528 Views
That's exactly what I was thinking the entire time. It didn't ruin my enjoyment though. Myrdhyn - 22/09/2010 07:12:00 PM 1388 Views
Wait...so NO ONE has wanted to discuss the Sapphic scene at Graendal's place? Tom - 22/09/2010 03:48:36 AM 1533 Views
yes, totally Lesbian. *NM* darius_sedai - 22/09/2010 03:04:16 PM 925 Views
No, the other L word. "LesbiAHNS?" *NM* Bookwyrm - 22/09/2010 04:18:55 PM 983 Views
Yes, it was totally lesbian. Myrdhyn - 22/09/2010 07:09:19 PM 1355 Views
No, not at all. Aran'gar is still a dude at heart. I think. *NM* BlackAdder - 22/09/2010 08:18:55 PM 954 Views
I tend to agree Sidious - 23/09/2010 05:42:52 PM 1360 Views
Lady parts + Lady parts = Lesbian sex darius_sedai - 24/09/2010 11:24:36 PM 1958 Views
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Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose darius_sedai - 25/09/2010 04:41:33 PM 1562 Views
Re: Transgender is a little convoluted I suppose Sidious - 25/09/2010 05:25:10 PM 1435 Views
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Re: I would think this argues against your contention that she would hold saidin to the max... Sidious - 22/09/2010 07:51:53 PM 1304 Views
Remembering the last time male channelers held reversed weaves in the presence of Rand's party... Shannow - 22/09/2010 07:55:12 PM 1258 Views
Yes. s/He was. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/09/2010 08:59:16 PM 1395 Views
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After 13 books you still can't spell "trollocs"...wow...that's just...wow... *NM* Tom - 23/09/2010 03:41:24 PM 939 Views
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Sidious - 23/09/2010 04:47:11 PM 1451 Views
Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO Etzel - 23/09/2010 05:45:41 PM 1477 Views
Re: Nice prologue, but not superb, IMO Sidious - 23/09/2010 09:54:33 PM 1456 Views
Well, that is one prediction I made correctly! Etzel would find a way to make it look like Slayer darius_sedai - 25/09/2010 05:43:20 PM 1511 Views
I believe that Sanderson concocted the entire Graendal/Rand/Balefire part Marshall - 23/09/2010 10:24:46 PM 2096 Views
I had a similar thought, but... RandAllThor - 23/09/2010 10:40:58 PM 1408 Views
Probably not Sanderson 4th Dimension - 23/09/2010 11:11:54 PM 1441 Views
No way Rurouni_Kenshin - 24/09/2010 07:14:35 AM 1362 Views
I can't see team Jordan allowing any deviation on what RJ would have laid out darius_sedai - 12/10/2010 08:32:50 PM 1505 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 25/09/2010 09:42:46 AM 929 Views
A few nits Terez - 12/10/2010 10:21:27 AM 1357 Views
Canadian Download site alanna aes sedai - 29/09/2010 12:05:12 AM 1852 Views
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