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Re: Nonsense urizen Send a noteboard - 05/10/2010 09:53:06 AM

Egwene specificly says he must be allowed to run free in order to fulfill prophecy. To say that he would be held against his will at this point is absurd.


Except that when she said that she was playing politics and was trying to show how bad Elaida is. Had Elaida been advocating Rand running free, Egwene would most likely have taken the position that Rand would have their "guidance". In most of Egwene's conversations with Siuan when the subject of Rand comes up, Egwene expresses need for Rand to be controlled and under her own guidance.


If Elaida had been okay with letting Rand run around she wouldn't have pulled down Suian and there wouldn't have been a rebellion in the first place. The characters are in the positions they are in because of their beliefs, not coincidence and mindless obstructionism.


I did not say it was so. I was merely trying to illustrate that Egwene was not expressing her own feelings on the matter but rather she expressed the Rand running free option to show how she was different and better compared to Elaida as Rand has pulled off some impressive feats by being "allowed" to run free. Of course she never mentions that Rand's sucsesses usually came about because he went against the "advice" of the Aes Sedai.

When she actually hung out with Rand her opinion usually were that Rand should obey the Aes Sedai(and herself). Not to mention in the latter books when every thought she has regaring Rand and his actions are some variation on how he is a moron and has to guided and controlled for his own good.
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