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Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious Send a noteboard - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM
Of course the answer is no. There is a huge gap in power between them. Graendal would never confront lanfear face to face. But sammael and even rahvin would. Clearly there is a bigger margin between the top 6 than suggested in this post.


There is no huge gap between them - there are two defined levels. We have no idea how large this gap is, but it is almost certainly not large, because Graendal is close to maximum strength from her own account.

I don't know how you can say that Graendal would never fight Lanfear. Rahvin clearly thought that she was on the verge of attacking Lanfear in FoH, and he prepared to Travel. She also attacked Cyndane later in the series. Graendal has also said that she should kill Sammael, but decides against it because she's not holding saidar. We heard several instances where the six have threatened to kill one another - Ishamael remains almost the only exception, and may be a true level higher than the others.

Graendal can and will fight Rand - I'm quite sure of it. Semirhage was not against it, and I think Graendal is similar.
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Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 403 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 446 Views
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They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 971 Views
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Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 899 Views
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Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 835 Views
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He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 894 Views
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I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 893 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 717 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 783 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 813 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 860 Views
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To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 657 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 705 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 800 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 802 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 762 Views
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Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 910 Views
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Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1012 Views
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