Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/10/2010 02:59:49 PM
Valda was the Lord Captain Commander of the Children! That is to say, he was the law, exactly the opposite of a "renegade."
And to claim that a paramilitary gang answerable to no-one outside its own hierarchy does not rape and pillage beggars belief.
This is not remotely evidence of anything beyond your own prejudices and assumptions (based on your EXTENSIVE experience, I am sure, of paramilitary organizations
). As for being merely "para"military, you are being absurd. Since the only place your user name appears in print is in the BWB, I must assume you have read it, and therefore must know it describes the Children of the Light as the best organized and most professional military organization in the known world. They are the LAST group that should be called merely a paramilitary organization, and compared to them, most national military groups are better called paramilitary. Given the outrage every character shows over the crime to rape (to be expected in a female-oriented world), if there was even the slightest suspicion the Children were prone to that crime a hair more than anyone else, it would have been a major issue, and would not have gone unmentioned. There is no evidence whatsoever that they engage in rape, and the reactions to Valda's crime are evidence against it being common or typical of the Children. As for murder, we know that the Children, at the very least, assassinate Aes Sedai when they can.
They are at war with the Aes Sedai. There is no other way to kill channelers, who hold too many other advantages. They hold mass executions of Darkfriends, such as the one demonstrated to Morgase,
Those were Darkfriends! What were they supposed to do with them?! Are you HONESTLY criticizing them for executing real, known Darkfriends?and even if being a Darkfriend by itself removes people from the protection of law we know that their standards for being a Darkfriend are none too high.
Prove that. You have only the PoV Trap complaints of characters prejudiced against the Children, when in fact, they are NEVER seen to do this in the books. They stir up mobs and hold people they dislike for torture, which is doubtless followed by execution.
Doubtless by whom? Show me one example in the entire series that is aberrant from the rest of the world! We see that in Cairhien, even nobles can be arraigned and tried for treason simply on the word of one of their peers! How much of a trial did Colavaere get, beyond a couple of people saying "She did bad stuff, I promise, cross my heart"? Andor, long held as the standard of commoner's rights and rule by law, brands non-violent criminals on purely circumstantial evidence, and hangs them after a third strike, and requires no more evidence of being a Darkfriend than the word of a noblewoman. Compare that to their treatment of Perrin, who assaulted and murdered soldiers on no provocation. He himself hangs men on less offense and less proof in later books, but the Children arrest him and take him in for a trial, when even under the Geneva Conventions, they would have been justified in slitting his throat on the spot. If the Tower didn't eat, would you starve yourself to death too?
And when the HELL have I EVER suggested the Tower is a model of any sort of behavior to follow? This is an ANTI-White Tower post, in case you have forgotten!The Americans won the Cold War for a reason, Cannoli.
Given the sheer ignorance and lack of comprehension about a very limited book series you display here, I cannot even begin to speculate what warped perspective on history inspires this non sequitur.
Cannoli
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
The Children of the Light and the White Tower
- 20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM
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Re: The Children of the Light and the White Tower
- 20/10/2010 08:58:12 PM
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The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
- 20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
- 21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
- 21/10/2010 02:59:49 PM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
- 21/10/2010 04:35:00 PM
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And farmers are, of course, treated the same as rebel officers and usurpers and mutineers.
- 23/10/2010 03:07:10 PM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
- 21/10/2010 07:55:06 PM
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And there is no indication of how far that went.
- 23/10/2010 03:12:42 PM
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"The question" as opposed to "questioning"
- 24/10/2010 06:21:43 PM
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And that would indicate everyone does it, if it is so commonly used, so how are the CoL worse? *NM*
- 25/10/2010 01:14:13 AM
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Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards.
- 24/10/2010 06:53:19 AM
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The utter stupidity of this statement caught my eye...
- 24/10/2010 08:12:58 AM
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Your analyses and extension of concepts always brings that "utter stupidity" phrase to my mind.
- 25/10/2010 02:17:10 AM
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Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad?
- 21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM
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Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series?
- 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM
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Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds
- 23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM
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So similar scenes in the Cairhienin civil war were all the work of Darkfriends?
- 25/10/2010 02:25:57 AM
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Please provide an example of a DF AS committing an atrocity and not being punished by the Tower
- 25/10/2010 03:34:46 AM
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Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:..
- 25/10/2010 09:28:10 AM
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Re: Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:..
- 25/10/2010 04:14:05 PM
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Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion!
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Re: Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion!
- 27/10/2010 01:06:53 PM
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You under some delusion that I'm defending the AS
- 27/10/2010 08:29:14 PM
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No. I'm pointing out you are under the delusion that AS pay for their atrocities.
- 28/10/2010 09:16:38 AM
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okay, so AS never Still and execute AS for doing stuff ... have you read the series?
- 28/10/2010 05:20:28 PM
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That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot.
- 28/10/2010 07:07:27 PM
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Re: That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot.
- 28/10/2010 07:09:33 PM
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To echo Darius...
- 23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM
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Re: To echo Darius...
- 25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM
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Go look up the definition of the word atrocity
- 25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM
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Their implicit role in the genocide of Manetheren was probable their greatest atrocity *NM*
- 26/10/2010 03:01:01 AM
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You mean the act that got Tetsuan deposed, Stilled and sentenced to hard labor until she gave up the
- 26/10/2010 04:19:45 AM
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Ya, the ultimated punishment of cleaning pots and floors
NOOOOOOOO!!!
- 26/10/2010 11:59:51 PM
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NOOOOOOOO!!!
- 26/10/2010 11:59:51 PM
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Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless"
- 27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM
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the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village
- 27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM
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READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds
- 28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM
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- 28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM
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- 28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM
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You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them.
- 28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM
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- 28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM
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dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder
- 28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM
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Complete the thought...
- 28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM
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seems I must do so for this guy to understand ... and I'm not holding my breath on that!
- 28/10/2010 08:24:57 PM
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Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM*
- 28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM
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again you fail to note that the AS have systems in place to prevent these things
- 28/10/2010 08:23:32 PM
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Again you fail to note that the AS haven't used those "systems" of theirs
- 28/10/2010 09:02:15 PM
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What wars did they start?
- 28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM
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You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan.
- 28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM
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- 28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM
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Take your own advice, please
- 28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM
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Come on. Just say it. Real men don't act like catty, bitchy women. *NM*
- 20/10/2010 11:14:49 PM
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"Rightly hold responsible for the threat of the Shadow?" Puh-leeze
- 21/10/2010 12:06:34 AM
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Puh-leeze right back at you:
- 21/10/2010 08:24:12 AM
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The Wheel was created so the DO could break in. The Creator plays his game with the DO thru people
- 21/10/2010 01:45:07 PM
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It was you who brought up that silly Real World kitchen example, silly.
- 25/10/2010 10:55:29 AM
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I could say you zinged me, but you're just bent on silliness. Bored now. *NM*
- 25/10/2010 10:54:41 PM
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Your personal theories do not constitute evidence, and your aberrant logic better supports MY case
- 21/10/2010 03:21:44 PM
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Objection, your honor! Bringing evidentiary rules into this is asinine! *NM*
- 21/10/2010 11:22:19 PM
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The word "evidence" is not exclusive to the practice of jurisprudence
- 23/10/2010 03:31:57 PM
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Rational thinking. Well, you use the word "deserved" in all caps. Nuff said. *NM*
- 23/10/2010 04:55:02 PM
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Emphasis means nothing one way or another as far as rationality goes, which you would know...
- 25/10/2010 01:13:23 AM
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You know zilch about my acquaintances. "mk" was wrong - you're not an idiot. But you are ignorable. *NM*
- 25/10/2010 10:57:04 PM
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- 21/10/2010 01:47:19 AM
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Not so sure about that
- 21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM
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the city is closed to WC
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Re: the city is closed to WC
- 21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM
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But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM*
- 21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM
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But they aren't in disguise
- 21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM
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They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise.
- 21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM
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Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise.
- 22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM
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CotL are welcome in Tar Valon to have a drink. Aes Sedai are hanged when found in Amadicia..
- 21/10/2010 08:33:03 AM
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Now hang on a minute!
- 21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM
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- 21/10/2010 10:49:34 AM
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it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations
- 21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM
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