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Your personal theories do not constitute evidence, and your aberrant logic better supports MY case Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/10/2010 03:21:44 PM
All the characters live in a world where the DO is bound to get loose and make everything horrible. And this will happen over and over again no matter what. The Shadow's stain on normal life even happens in turnings of the Wheel in which there isn't any channeling. So really, the Children should be blaming the Creator himself for the threat of the Shadow. That would make sense.
Even if I accepted your absurd premise that "it was bound to happen" that does not justify the channelers doing it. At least it would have taken longer if they had waited for his inevitable breakout on their own. Secondly, unless he made the Dark One (and there is no evidence of that, whereas RJ & the glossary imply he did not), the Creator is not responsible for what the Dark One does.

Blaming the channelers for unleashing the DO is like having a house built by lousy contractors, then blaming your slightly overweight friend for sitting on your kitchen counter and it breaking apart. Yes, the friend's weight and choice of seats caused the actual destruction to occur, but the contractors are the people who set the whole situation up with their incompetent behavior and choices.
So by your analogy, the channelers CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES. In YOUR world view, the Children are even MORE justified than in mine! Mine holds that everyone is responsible for their actions, and that deliberate volitional acts by channelers are responsible for the Dark One breaking free. In your view, it is simply their nature - that they cause harm merely by existing in the fragile structure that is the world. Therefore, the Children are justified in trying to eliminate them, just as the Seanchan are justified in leashing them - if they cause destruction just by being who and what they are, the other inhabitants of that fragile domicile have the moral imperative to evict them in order to ensure their own security.

Most reasonable folks want to put the blame where it's due; unreasonable ones want it to go anywhere - especially anywhere that absolves their own errors and omissions.
Fine, we'll punish the Creator as soon as someone catches him and places him under arrest. 8} None of what you said changes the essential truth that channelers are still the problematic factor. Without channelers, the Dark One would not have broken free, there would not be Shadowspawn or have been the Breaking of the world.

If anything, blaming anyone - even the Creator - for the Shadow's appearance is a waste of time. Why? Because it misses the point that they still have to fight an incredible and difficult battle. Why waste time assigning blame when you have an immediate crisis to deal with? In the 80s, it was often said that American companies would waste time finding a scapegoat, whereas Japanese companies would focus on identifying and resolving the problem and its causes. That logic holds well here, too, as far as the Children and their distrust of the One Power.
Yes, get rid of the channelers before they cause more problems. The most successful cultures in WoT are those that limit and curtail channelers power in society. The cultures ruled by channelers are Shara, old Seanchan and the Land of Madmen. The successful and thriving cultures have strictly limited places for channelers in society and actual rule is restricted to non channelers (Sea Folk, Aiel, Seanchan). The in-between culture, with somewhat limited channelers and unofficial limitations on their ability to rule, and only vague restraints on their power, has fallen into stagnation and has been fading away for the last millenium.
And of course, the DID free the Dark One, Break the world and lead Trolloc armies to devastate the Ten Nations.

Finally, why are you recalling a faddish admiration for a business model that has since failed? Citing the Japanese was cool in the 80s when they were the up and coming thing, but they've been in a slump throughout the 21st century. So much for their vaunted long-term perspective.

The Children may have started out as a cool, philosophical, anti-Shadow society. They turned into a misogynist
Evidence?
bunch of blood-thirsty asses who stuck their nose in everyone's business, by threat of torture and spite-inspired accusation. They don't even do as much good as the AS, who do things like Heal people that they don't "need" for anything.

All that said, yes they probably will duck their heads and charge at the Shadow without much complaint. Yes, the AS probably will take up the DR's precious time with beratings, accusations, and unnecessary formalities. This is because the AS have a great bargaining position (they WILL be needed at TG),
Not from any objective view. They are no more than a thousand channelers, with serious blindspots and shortcomings and are among the more ineffectual groups in combat. Rand has the unrestrained Asha'man who match their numbers, are stronger and specifically trained to fight and destroy and are disciplined as soldiers. He has the Wise Ones who outnumber the Tower six to one. He has the Sea Folk, who have struck the greatest blow against the Dark One of any channelers between the Strike at Shayol Ghul and the Cleansing. He even has Aes Sedai sworn to him to provide the prestige and leadership positions associated with them for centuries. As for their diplomatic influence, his overwhelmingly superior military might far outweighs there subtle influence, in the short term at least (and since that's all that is left...), and all the people whom the Tower could "sway" to his side are under his rule, that of his allies and vassals and best friend and mother of his children. Or people who hate the Tower more than they hate Rand. The Tower's influence in the world is nil next to Rand's. Any superior bargaining position they hold is purely a case of "the author said so" rather than any genuine reflection of the state of affairs. Egwene will wring concessions thanks only to Rand's generosity or author-mandated sudden inability to make a coherent response to her absurd positions, as happened repeatedly among the sisters who dealt with her in tGS.

whereas the Children have managed to make themselves more irrelevant and ignorable with every pious, pompous, self-serving accusation that they have instigated/inspired.
The righteous and just are typically despised by those who fail to meet their standards.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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The Children of the Light and the White Tower - 20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM 2302 Views
Re: The Children of the Light and the White Tower - 20/10/2010 08:58:12 PM 951 Views
The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM 1077 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. - 21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM 996 Views
Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad? - 21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM 910 Views
Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series? - 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM 895 Views
Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds - 23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM 931 Views
To echo Darius... - 23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM 861 Views
Re: To echo Darius... - 25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM 794 Views
Go look up the definition of the word atrocity - 25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM 828 Views
Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless" - 27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM 785 Views
the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village - 27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM 822 Views
READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds - 28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM 915 Views
- 28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM 759 Views
You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them. - 28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM 859 Views
dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder - 28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM 818 Views
Complete the thought... - 28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM 731 Views
Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM* - 28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM 475 Views
What wars did they start? - 28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 737 Views
You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan. - 28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM 782 Views
Wow... I'm sooo Insulted! - 28/10/2010 09:23:41 PM 792 Views
- 28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM 864 Views
Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM 781 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 07:44:59 PM 727 Views
Their own organisation calls it rape. Simple. - 28/10/2010 08:26:49 PM 811 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please - 28/10/2010 09:18:17 PM 923 Views
"Rightly hold responsible for the threat of the Shadow?" Puh-leeze - 21/10/2010 12:06:34 AM 816 Views
Puh-leeze right back at you: - 21/10/2010 08:24:12 AM 794 Views
Your personal theories do not constitute evidence, and your aberrant logic better supports MY case - 21/10/2010 03:21:44 PM 955 Views
- 21/10/2010 01:47:19 AM 961 Views
Not so sure about that - 21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM 850 Views
Re: Not so sure about that - 21/10/2010 03:57:34 AM 882 Views
the city is closed to WC - 21/10/2010 04:01:45 AM 934 Views
Re: the city is closed to WC - 21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM 764 Views
But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM 420 Views
But they aren't in disguise - 21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM 795 Views
They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. - 21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM 730 Views
Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. - 22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM 831 Views
Don't be ridiculous... - 22/10/2010 04:52:55 PM 791 Views
No different - 23/10/2010 02:26:24 PM 860 Views
Here is to hoping Egwene can get her head out of her ass. - 21/10/2010 10:30:10 AM 866 Views
Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM 1011 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 10:49:34 AM 895 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! - 21/10/2010 11:28:55 PM 907 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! - 22/10/2010 01:08:14 AM 868 Views
IMO, the main difference between Egwene & Galad is... - 21/10/2010 12:36:53 PM 939 Views
it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations - 21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM 967 Views
You! - 22/10/2010 02:28:07 PM 867 Views

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