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And farmers are, of course, treated the same as rebel officers and usurpers and mutineers. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 23/10/2010 03:07:10 PM

and even if being a Darkfriend by itself removes people from the protection of law we know that their standards for being a Darkfriend are none too high.
Prove that. You have only the PoV Trap complaints of characters prejudiced against the Children, when in fact, they are NEVER seen to do this in the books.


To be fair, we know that the questioners tend to take people and torture them until they get a "confession", and then use that as an excuse to execute the victim.

We actually see this from Galad's POV where he is mentally preparing himself for the torture and how he will die without saying he is a darkfriend. If Galad of all people worries about breaking and claiming loyalty to the shadow just to make the pain stop, then what chance does your average innocent farmer or other civilian taken by the questioners have? And ofcourse Galad would be in a better position to know than most given his rank.

There is no question that torturing false confessions out of people is evil, and I hope that Galad will put an end to it now that he himself has realised how meaningless it is as a way of finding out the truth.
Cannoli
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The Children of the Light and the White Tower Cannoli - 20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM 2479 Views
Re: The Children of the Light and the White Tower moratcorlm - 20/10/2010 08:58:12 PM 1153 Views
The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Cannoli - 20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM 1275 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM 1180 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Cannoli - 21/10/2010 02:59:49 PM 1175 Views
Hehe. Touché! *NM* Mik - 21/10/2010 03:05:02 PM 611 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Datakim - 21/10/2010 04:35:00 PM 992 Views
And farmers are, of course, treated the same as rebel officers and usurpers and mutineers. Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:07:10 PM 1070 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 07:55:06 PM 1099 Views
And there is no indication of how far that went. Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:12:42 PM 953 Views
"The question" as opposed to "questioning" moratcorlm - 24/10/2010 06:21:43 PM 1018 Views
And that would indicate everyone does it, if it is so commonly used, so how are the CoL worse? *NM* Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:14:13 AM 646 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. rAndy aL - 24/10/2010 06:53:19 AM 1306 Views
But that explains their actions Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:41:50 AM 1042 Views
Don't turn this around on the Aes Sedai rAndy aL - 27/10/2010 10:53:27 AM 1229 Views
The utter stupidity of this statement caught my eye... fionwe1987 - 24/10/2010 08:12:58 AM 991 Views
Your analyses and extension of concepts always brings that "utter stupidity" phrase to my mind. Cannoli - 25/10/2010 02:17:10 AM 1155 Views
Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad? Sidious - 21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM 1111 Views
Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series? Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM 1125 Views
Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds darius_sedai - 23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM 1110 Views
So similar scenes in the Cairhienin civil war were all the work of Darkfriends? Cannoli - 25/10/2010 02:25:57 AM 1046 Views
Please provide an example of a DF AS committing an atrocity and not being punished by the Tower darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 03:34:46 AM 1013 Views
Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:.. Mik - 25/10/2010 09:28:10 AM 1072 Views
Re: Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:.. Sidious - 25/10/2010 04:14:05 PM 1200 Views
Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion! darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 04:50:39 PM 941 Views
Re: Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion! Mik - 27/10/2010 01:06:53 PM 1082 Views
You under some delusion that I'm defending the AS darius_sedai - 27/10/2010 08:29:14 PM 1022 Views
No. I'm pointing out you are under the delusion that AS pay for their atrocities. Mik - 28/10/2010 09:16:38 AM 971 Views
okay, so AS never Still and execute AS for doing stuff ... have you read the series? darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 05:20:28 PM 998 Views
That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot. Mik - 28/10/2010 07:07:27 PM 1064 Views
Re: That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot. fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:09:33 PM 951 Views
Strawman argument, Sid. Mik - 27/10/2010 11:35:40 AM 1010 Views
To echo Darius... fionwe1987 - 23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM 1032 Views
Re: To echo Darius... Mik - 25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM 981 Views
Go look up the definition of the word atrocity darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM 1000 Views
Their implicit role in the genocide of Manetheren was probable their greatest atrocity *NM* Knightscape - 26/10/2010 03:01:01 AM 598 Views
You mean the act that got Tetsuan deposed, Stilled and sentenced to hard labor until she gave up the darius_sedai - 26/10/2010 04:19:45 AM 1276 Views
Ya, the ultimated punishment of cleaning pots and floors NOOOOOOOO!!! Knightscape - 26/10/2010 11:59:51 PM 977 Views
Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless" Mik - 27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM 962 Views
the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village darius_sedai - 27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM 1017 Views
READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds Mik - 28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM 1077 Views
darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM 949 Views
You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them. Mik - 28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM 1033 Views
dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM 991 Views
Complete the thought... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM 912 Views
seems I must do so for this guy to understand ... and I'm not holding my breath on that! darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 08:24:57 PM 1054 Views
Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM* Mik - 28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM 569 Views
again you fail to note that the AS have systems in place to prevent these things darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 08:23:32 PM 1004 Views
Again you fail to note that the AS haven't used those "systems" of theirs Mik - 28/10/2010 09:02:15 PM 1264 Views
What wars did they start? fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 913 Views
You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan. Mik - 28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM 1016 Views
Wow... I'm sooo Insulted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 09:23:41 PM 965 Views
fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM 1073 Views
Take your own advice, please Mik - 28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM 981 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please Sidious - 28/10/2010 07:44:59 PM 926 Views
Their own organisation calls it rape. Simple. Mik - 28/10/2010 08:26:49 PM 1034 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 09:18:17 PM 1149 Views
Come on. Just say it. Real men don't act like catty, bitchy women. *NM* Tom - 20/10/2010 11:14:49 PM 603 Views
"Rightly hold responsible for the threat of the Shadow?" Puh-leeze newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 12:06:34 AM 1030 Views
Puh-leeze right back at you: Mik - 21/10/2010 08:24:12 AM 989 Views
The Wheel was created so the DO could break in. The Creator plays his game with the DO thru people newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 01:45:07 PM 984 Views
It was you who brought up that silly Real World kitchen example, silly. Mik - 25/10/2010 10:55:29 AM 830 Views
I could say you zinged me, but you're just bent on silliness. Bored now. *NM* newyorkersedai - 25/10/2010 10:54:41 PM 557 Views
Your personal theories do not constitute evidence, and your aberrant logic better supports MY case Cannoli - 21/10/2010 03:21:44 PM 1161 Views
Objection, your honor! Bringing evidentiary rules into this is asinine! *NM* newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 11:22:19 PM 525 Views
The word "evidence" is not exclusive to the practice of jurisprudence Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:31:57 PM 1029 Views
Rational thinking. Well, you use the word "deserved" in all caps. Nuff said. *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/10/2010 04:55:02 PM 549 Views
Emphasis means nothing one way or another as far as rationality goes, which you would know... Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:13:23 AM 1127 Views
You know zilch about my acquaintances. "mk" was wrong - you're not an idiot. But you are ignorable. *NM* newyorkersedai - 25/10/2010 10:57:04 PM 556 Views
fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 01:47:19 AM 1144 Views
Not so sure about that moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM 1065 Views
Re: Not so sure about that fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 03:57:34 AM 1098 Views
the city is closed to WC Foxhead - 21/10/2010 04:01:45 AM 1106 Views
Re: the city is closed to WC moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM 951 Views
But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM* fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM 505 Views
But they aren't in disguise moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM 985 Views
They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM 936 Views
Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. moratcorlm - 22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM 1020 Views
Don't be ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 22/10/2010 04:52:55 PM 968 Views
No different moratcorlm - 23/10/2010 02:26:24 PM 1077 Views
CotL are welcome in Tar Valon to have a drink. Aes Sedai are hanged when found in Amadicia.. Mik - 21/10/2010 08:33:03 AM 1090 Views
Here is to hoping Egwene can get her head out of her ass. Hot Pie - 21/10/2010 10:30:10 AM 1056 Views
Now hang on a minute! ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM 1197 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 10:49:34 AM 1098 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! rAndy aL - 21/10/2010 11:28:55 PM 1098 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! moratcorlm - 22/10/2010 01:08:14 AM 1053 Views
IMO, the main difference between Egwene & Galad is... Mik - 21/10/2010 12:36:53 PM 1136 Views
it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations Zaphod - 21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM 1142 Views
You! Macharius - 22/10/2010 02:28:07 PM 1085 Views
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