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Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:.. Mik Send a noteboard - 25/10/2010 09:28:10 AM
Name an incident when an AS openly ordered an atrocity and got away with it.

1: Elaida - kidnapping of King Mattin Stepaneos
2: Alanna - bonding Rand against his will (nothing short of rape, known by lots of Aes Sedai)
3: Elaida - severely torturing a novice (Egwene) in front of a lot of Aes Sedai.
4: Elaida - kidnapping Rand
5: Aes Sedai kidnapping gang - severe torture of a prisoner (Rand)

Then there's the fact that there's a whole section in the Tower Librabry (13th) kept secret. Now I'm not saying that means that everything in there are what you would call 'atrocities', but it stands to reason there's more then enough in there.

We know of a few, where the whole tower messed up big time when Shein (sp?) was Amyrlin. Didn't the Hall 'keep her inline' and the tower messing up - and all knowing it - result in a lot of wars? How long do you think it took all the Aes Sedai to do -something - about that?

Well.. that's the top of my head.


The CotL are changing for the better back to what they were, while the Aes Sedai remain a pale shadow of their predecessors in the AoL.


Mik ~ Ishamaels halfmad 'brother'

Death dances in my footsteps....
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The Children of the Light and the White Tower Cannoli - 20/10/2010 08:32:10 PM 2495 Views
Re: The Children of the Light and the White Tower moratcorlm - 20/10/2010 08:58:12 PM 1169 Views
The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Cannoli - 20/10/2010 09:05:55 PM 1290 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 12:15:48 AM 1198 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Cannoli - 21/10/2010 02:59:49 PM 1191 Views
Hehe. Touché! *NM* Mik - 21/10/2010 03:05:02 PM 620 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. Datakim - 21/10/2010 04:35:00 PM 1007 Views
And farmers are, of course, treated the same as rebel officers and usurpers and mutineers. Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:07:10 PM 1086 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 07:55:06 PM 1116 Views
And there is no indication of how far that went. Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:12:42 PM 970 Views
"The question" as opposed to "questioning" moratcorlm - 24/10/2010 06:21:43 PM 1030 Views
And that would indicate everyone does it, if it is so commonly used, so how are the CoL worse? *NM* Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:14:13 AM 654 Views
Re: The one known rapist was, by his own admission, committing a crime against their standards. rAndy aL - 24/10/2010 06:53:19 AM 1322 Views
But that explains their actions Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:41:50 AM 1058 Views
Don't turn this around on the Aes Sedai rAndy aL - 27/10/2010 10:53:27 AM 1248 Views
The utter stupidity of this statement caught my eye... fionwe1987 - 24/10/2010 08:12:58 AM 1015 Views
Your analyses and extension of concepts always brings that "utter stupidity" phrase to my mind. Cannoli - 25/10/2010 02:17:10 AM 1172 Views
Huh? ... what !! ... are you mad? Sidious - 21/10/2010 05:05:16 PM 1127 Views
Did you forget the very first PoV Darkfriend in the series? Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:27:25 PM 1138 Views
Difference being the whitecloaks who were ordered to do it were not DFs. All the AS evil deeds darius_sedai - 23/10/2010 07:55:23 PM 1121 Views
So similar scenes in the Cairhienin civil war were all the work of Darkfriends? Cannoli - 25/10/2010 02:25:57 AM 1068 Views
Please provide an example of a DF AS committing an atrocity and not being punished by the Tower darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 03:34:46 AM 1028 Views
Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:.. Mik - 25/10/2010 09:28:10 AM 1090 Views
Re: Just one? Here's a list from the top of my head in 60 secs:.. Sidious - 25/10/2010 04:14:05 PM 1217 Views
Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion! darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 04:50:39 PM 956 Views
Re: Not to mention it's not like any of these have been without repercussion! Mik - 27/10/2010 01:06:53 PM 1100 Views
You under some delusion that I'm defending the AS darius_sedai - 27/10/2010 08:29:14 PM 1037 Views
No. I'm pointing out you are under the delusion that AS pay for their atrocities. Mik - 28/10/2010 09:16:38 AM 989 Views
okay, so AS never Still and execute AS for doing stuff ... have you read the series? darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 05:20:28 PM 1016 Views
That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot. Mik - 28/10/2010 07:07:27 PM 1079 Views
Re: That doesn't make the -unpunished- atrocities disappear, you know. Your point is lame AND moot. fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:09:33 PM 967 Views
Strawman argument, Sid. Mik - 27/10/2010 11:35:40 AM 1024 Views
To echo Darius... fionwe1987 - 23/10/2010 08:34:00 PM 1048 Views
Re: To echo Darius... Mik - 25/10/2010 10:03:14 AM 1000 Views
Go look up the definition of the word atrocity darius_sedai - 25/10/2010 04:53:55 PM 1013 Views
Their implicit role in the genocide of Manetheren was probable their greatest atrocity *NM* Knightscape - 26/10/2010 03:01:01 AM 605 Views
You mean the act that got Tetsuan deposed, Stilled and sentenced to hard labor until she gave up the darius_sedai - 26/10/2010 04:19:45 AM 1289 Views
Ya, the ultimated punishment of cleaning pots and floors NOOOOOOOO!!! Knightscape - 26/10/2010 11:59:51 PM 993 Views
Maybe you should have done that yourself: "behaviour or an action that is wicked or ruthless" Mik - 27/10/2010 11:11:30 AM 974 Views
the fact that you can't differentiate between the extermination of an entire village darius_sedai - 27/10/2010 08:30:12 PM 1032 Views
READ; I *did* differentiate between them. It doesn't change the fact all are atrocious deeds Mik - 28/10/2010 09:00:56 AM 1096 Views
darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 05:22:18 PM 960 Views
You asked for atrocities and you got them. Now you just don't know what to do with them. Mik - 28/10/2010 06:49:16 PM 1056 Views
dude, you gave us a list of petty crimes and compared it to mass murder darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 06:59:33 PM 1002 Views
Complete the thought... fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:11:37 PM 935 Views
seems I must do so for this guy to understand ... and I'm not holding my breath on that! darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 08:24:57 PM 1069 Views
Rape, murder, starting wars and doing noting about them, kidnap / severe torture of prisoners... *NM* Mik - 28/10/2010 07:51:33 PM 575 Views
again you fail to note that the AS have systems in place to prevent these things darius_sedai - 28/10/2010 08:23:32 PM 1019 Views
Again you fail to note that the AS haven't used those "systems" of theirs Mik - 28/10/2010 09:02:15 PM 1277 Views
What wars did they start? fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 08:56:46 PM 924 Views
You should be an Aes Sedai; the way you can twist truth would scare Siuan. Mik - 28/10/2010 09:07:24 PM 1030 Views
Wow... I'm sooo Insulted! fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 09:23:41 PM 980 Views
fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 07:07:57 PM 1083 Views
Take your own advice, please Mik - 28/10/2010 07:30:51 PM 1005 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please Sidious - 28/10/2010 07:44:59 PM 939 Views
Their own organisation calls it rape. Simple. Mik - 28/10/2010 08:26:49 PM 1058 Views
Re: Take your own advice, please fionwe1987 - 28/10/2010 09:18:17 PM 1163 Views
Come on. Just say it. Real men don't act like catty, bitchy women. *NM* Tom - 20/10/2010 11:14:49 PM 612 Views
"Rightly hold responsible for the threat of the Shadow?" Puh-leeze newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 12:06:34 AM 1048 Views
Puh-leeze right back at you: Mik - 21/10/2010 08:24:12 AM 1005 Views
The Wheel was created so the DO could break in. The Creator plays his game with the DO thru people newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 01:45:07 PM 1000 Views
It was you who brought up that silly Real World kitchen example, silly. Mik - 25/10/2010 10:55:29 AM 850 Views
I could say you zinged me, but you're just bent on silliness. Bored now. *NM* newyorkersedai - 25/10/2010 10:54:41 PM 564 Views
Your personal theories do not constitute evidence, and your aberrant logic better supports MY case Cannoli - 21/10/2010 03:21:44 PM 1174 Views
Objection, your honor! Bringing evidentiary rules into this is asinine! *NM* newyorkersedai - 21/10/2010 11:22:19 PM 533 Views
The word "evidence" is not exclusive to the practice of jurisprudence Cannoli - 23/10/2010 03:31:57 PM 1047 Views
Rational thinking. Well, you use the word "deserved" in all caps. Nuff said. *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/10/2010 04:55:02 PM 556 Views
Emphasis means nothing one way or another as far as rationality goes, which you would know... Cannoli - 25/10/2010 01:13:23 AM 1143 Views
You know zilch about my acquaintances. "mk" was wrong - you're not an idiot. But you are ignorable. *NM* newyorkersedai - 25/10/2010 10:57:04 PM 565 Views
fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 01:47:19 AM 1157 Views
Not so sure about that moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 02:29:02 AM 1082 Views
Re: Not so sure about that fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 03:57:34 AM 1118 Views
the city is closed to WC Foxhead - 21/10/2010 04:01:45 AM 1123 Views
Re: the city is closed to WC moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 04:55:45 AM 965 Views
But that is irrelevant. Aes Sedai can also go to Amadicia in disguise. *NM* fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 05:35:18 AM 513 Views
But they aren't in disguise moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 08:31:38 AM 1003 Views
They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. fionwe1987 - 21/10/2010 09:08:25 PM 953 Views
Re: They don't wear their uniform, their one identifying feature. That is a disguise. moratcorlm - 22/10/2010 02:10:07 PM 1041 Views
Don't be ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 22/10/2010 04:52:55 PM 981 Views
No different moratcorlm - 23/10/2010 02:26:24 PM 1096 Views
CotL are welcome in Tar Valon to have a drink. Aes Sedai are hanged when found in Amadicia.. Mik - 21/10/2010 08:33:03 AM 1105 Views
Here is to hoping Egwene can get her head out of her ass. Hot Pie - 21/10/2010 10:30:10 AM 1071 Views
Now hang on a minute! ˥ɐ ʎpu∀ɹ - 21/10/2010 07:28:45 AM 1215 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! moratcorlm - 21/10/2010 10:49:34 AM 1109 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! rAndy aL - 21/10/2010 11:28:55 PM 1114 Views
Re: Now hang on a minute! moratcorlm - 22/10/2010 01:08:14 AM 1066 Views
IMO, the main difference between Egwene & Galad is... Mik - 21/10/2010 12:36:53 PM 1153 Views
it would be an interesting comparison if they weren't completely different organizations Zaphod - 21/10/2010 04:09:31 PM 1154 Views
You! Macharius - 22/10/2010 02:28:07 PM 1100 Views
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