Than any other weave that's directly used on a person (as opposed to say, a fireball).
Meaning, that there will be a weave, and it's coming towards you, and you have to either block it, divert it, or deal with it in some other way.
This is true of many weaves- Shielding, definitely, and I'm sure some others. Evidence: Moggy tries to attack Nyn with Compulsion at the showdown in Tanchino, and Nyn manages to slice the weave just in time. Something similar happened when Liandrin attacked Moggy with her cobbled-together Compulsion.
So being amazing at Compulsion won't give you an edge- you still have to hit the person with the weave, and that's true of nearly all of the duel-ending weaves.
Meaning, that there will be a weave, and it's coming towards you, and you have to either block it, divert it, or deal with it in some other way.
This is true of many weaves- Shielding, definitely, and I'm sure some others. Evidence: Moggy tries to attack Nyn with Compulsion at the showdown in Tanchino, and Nyn manages to slice the weave just in time. Something similar happened when Liandrin attacked Moggy with her cobbled-together Compulsion.
So being amazing at Compulsion won't give you an edge- you still have to hit the person with the weave, and that's true of nearly all of the duel-ending weaves.
Being a master at a weave may mean that the weave is more powerful in every way - it is more potent, easier to weave for the channeler, and much harder to counter.
A pertinent example here is our special Kinswoman who can shield almost anyone despite being much weaker. She cites that she's practiced the weave so many times, and has a such a Talent for shielding, that she could hold one of the Forsaken - which is evidenced by her ability to hold Nynaeve.
Now shift that Talent from shielding to Compulsion, which we know from Moghedien is also a Talent. Graendal is one of the greatest in this weave who has ever lived, and she uses it as her primary attack, as shown by her duel with Cyndane and Moghedien. If her Compulsion is like the other channeler's shielding Talent, then her weave might not strike another channeler like a bullet, but like an avalanche. This is the whole point of a Talent - it is disproportionately powerful compared the what you'd expect to the channeler. This is why an exceptionally strong channeler like Rand can't Heal a bruise, but a weaker one like Semirhage can Heal the most grievous of wounds. It stands to reason that these Talent can extend to dueling, especially in Graendal's case where Compulsion really can be a weapon.
Therefore a weave is not a weave... is not a weave. Weaves can have power which can be hugely increased by the ability of the channeler. While most people could hurl Compulsion with a power of 100 at you, Graendal might be capable of ten times that potency, which would make her attacks very difficult to slice. My other personal theories are that Lanfear has a Talent for shielding, and that Semirhage could do the same with pain weaves.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power
- 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM
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The Big White Book says...
- 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM
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Not Aginor
- 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM
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Re: Not Aginor
- 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM
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Re: Not Aginor
- 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM
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Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy
- 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM
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But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar
- 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM
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It all depends on how you define "powerful"
- 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM
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So is graendal similar to lanfear then?
- 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM
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Graendal could fight Lanfear and win
- 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM
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Graendal herself says...
- 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM
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Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power
- 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM
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Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then?
- 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM
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Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters
- 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM
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But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM*
- 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM
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Not at all
- 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM
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Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different
- 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM
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I'm not so sure about that
- 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM
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But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM*
- 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM
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Apparently only the third time counts
*NM*
- 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM
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But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM*
- 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM
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*NM*
- 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM
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But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM*
- 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM
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Really?
- 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM
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No falsely...
- 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM
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- 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM
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And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much
- 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM
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They correlate on some critical points
- 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM
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That's not exactly what I'm referring to.
- 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM
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But then we are discussing the same thing
- 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM
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I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers
- 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM
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Probably
- 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM
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I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael
- 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM
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I do think Ishamel is special
- 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM
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He's special the same way any individual is special.
- 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM
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Re: He's special the same way any individual is special.
- 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM
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Re: He's special the same way any individual is special.
- 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM
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Re: He's special the same way any individual is special.
- 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM
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The more interesting question is...
- 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM
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Hmmm
- 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM
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I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar.
- 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM
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Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM*
- 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM
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Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree!
- 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM
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They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks
- 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM
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I've never underestimated Graendal
- 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM
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Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too.
- 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM
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To me, she is the most lethal.
- 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM
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I still like Lanfear more
- 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM
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- 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM
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Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien
- 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM
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Agreed
- 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM
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Ummm... how do we know?
- 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM
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only in love *NM*