This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM
Anyone who "passed" this test to satisfy Rubinde, Lelaine and Barasine may as well openly admit to being a Darkfriend. The damage, in my eyes, would be about the same.
Honestly, any person who will forsake saving sick children just so she could earn the title of Aes Sedai does not deserve to be called "Servant of All". Nyneave was perfectly right when she said she didn't care to be Aes Sedai if it meant leaving children to die. Any organization that demands that of its members may as well be part of the Shadow.
Thankfully, that is not what is demanded even by the super-retarded Aes Sedai. If you read carefully, you will see that Saerin was furious about the test before Nynaeve said anything. Before Nynaeve made her speech, Egwene not only said that Nynaeve handled the channeling component admirably, she also didn't disagree with Nynaeve's logic (only asking her to not ruffle any more feathers today). The only concern Saerin, Seiaine, Yukiri and probably Romanda had was the use of Balefire. And Nynaeve addressed that to all their satisfaction.
But, more critically, this test was necessary for Egwene. Surrounded by people like Nynaeve, Elayne, Siuan, Leanne, Silviana and even Saerin, Seaine and Yukiri, all women who have more or less correct priorities, she had completely lost sight of the fact that the problems the Aes Sedai faced are not only about weak leadership and bad organization. They are also morally bankrupt, as an institution. They've sat too long thinking their mere existence has stopped the Shadow in the past. They rest on the laurels of their betters from the past, and have completely failed the world when they were needed the most. Egwene needed to see why that was. Nynaeve hit the nail on the head when she talked about how the Tower's perspective was alienated from the world's. Egwene needs to change that too, not only how effective the Aes Sedai are as an organization.
Honestly, any person who will forsake saving sick children just so she could earn the title of Aes Sedai does not deserve to be called "Servant of All". Nyneave was perfectly right when she said she didn't care to be Aes Sedai if it meant leaving children to die. Any organization that demands that of its members may as well be part of the Shadow.
Thankfully, that is not what is demanded even by the super-retarded Aes Sedai. If you read carefully, you will see that Saerin was furious about the test before Nynaeve said anything. Before Nynaeve made her speech, Egwene not only said that Nynaeve handled the channeling component admirably, she also didn't disagree with Nynaeve's logic (only asking her to not ruffle any more feathers today). The only concern Saerin, Seiaine, Yukiri and probably Romanda had was the use of Balefire. And Nynaeve addressed that to all their satisfaction.
But, more critically, this test was necessary for Egwene. Surrounded by people like Nynaeve, Elayne, Siuan, Leanne, Silviana and even Saerin, Seaine and Yukiri, all women who have more or less correct priorities, she had completely lost sight of the fact that the problems the Aes Sedai faced are not only about weak leadership and bad organization. They are also morally bankrupt, as an institution. They've sat too long thinking their mere existence has stopped the Shadow in the past. They rest on the laurels of their betters from the past, and have completely failed the world when they were needed the most. Egwene needed to see why that was. Nynaeve hit the nail on the head when she talked about how the Tower's perspective was alienated from the world's. Egwene needs to change that too, not only how effective the Aes Sedai are as an organization.
Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai
07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM
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Way to totally misunderstand the chapter
07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM
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I second this
07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM
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your bold is stuck. *NM*
07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM
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On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO
07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM
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nice post
08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM
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Isn't it implied
08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM
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no they were students together
08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM
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No, Lanfear was older than Lews
08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM
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Where on earth did you get that from?
08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM
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Re: Where on earth did you get that from?
09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM
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Re: Where on earth did you get that from?
09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM
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I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time
09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM
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Re: I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time
09/12/2010 05:43:40 PM
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I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill
08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM
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I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well
08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM
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Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM*
08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM
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Re: nice post
09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM
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On the matter of strength
09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM
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Strength was "prized" in the AoL ... but lack of strength was not a negative
12/12/2010 01:41:08 AM
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Yes. How dare she not conform with every other fucking mindless stupid WT Aes Sedai *NM*
07/12/2010 11:36:52 PM
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Status is not an end in itself. *NM*
07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM
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They're not really stupid...
08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM
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Not saying they are. It's just that most AS that we've come across
08/12/2010 02:20:05 AM
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They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm.
08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM
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Bah...
09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM
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I did not say all Aes Sedai are stupid, I said all WT Aes Sedai are stupid.
10/12/2010 09:19:52 AM
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You are not only wrong in your call,
08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM
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Re: You are not only wrong in your call,
08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM
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if that is the purpose of the test
08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM
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minor disagreement
08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM
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Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body
08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM
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not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though
08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM
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that's retarded, imo
09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM
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Oh it's totally stupid!
09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM
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No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it
09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM
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I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then
09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM
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Oh. Well, I'm sorry then.
08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM
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I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that
08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM
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Yeah, but how does that work?
08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM
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Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them.
09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM
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Even so, it wouldn't work.
09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM
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I think if this thread has established anything it's that the test is severely flawed. *NM*
09/12/2010 09:24:48 PM
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Another headless chicken example.
09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM
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the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM*
09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM
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Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then.
09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM
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You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right"
09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM
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Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right"
09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM
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That's not the dilema
09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM
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One of those few times where I completely agree with Cannoli. Give over Sidious. You're wrong.
09/12/2010 09:55:20 PM
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That's not what it's really about
10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM
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This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM
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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM
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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM
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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil.
09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM
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One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong.
10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM
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