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Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM

Yes, the test was pretty harsh on Nynaeve as Saerin said but also understandable. Nynaeve is the most powerful woman in the history of the Tower which elicited a lot of consequences. It led to jealousy in some, but the Sitter probably really wanted to push her like no other to see if their poster girl was worth her inborn ability.

Then they should have thrown in more Trollocs and Myrdraal at her, maybe a worm from the Blight, maybe a Foresaken or two. You know, things that would have actually required difficult channeling from her.

As it was, their tests were laughably easy for Nynaeve to handle from the OP perspective (save Egwene's, where she actually faced odds like Trollocs and Darkhounds, actual useful stuff). Egwene even says so. Nynaeve is too advanced to have to need this test. Instead, they pointlessly tested her on her ability to leave children to die just so she could be called Aes Sedai. Well, she can't do that, and she is completely right to not do that. I'm sure Egwene would have done exactly the same things too, if maybe with bit more control of her facial expressions.

I've often thought that they press women according to their strength, especially because Moiraine was so hard pushed I wondered if Daigian would have survived.

But that isn't how they pushed Nynaeve. Nynaeve didn't even come close to failing because she couldn't weave well. From what we see, she wove phenomenally. Her "failure" was in not abandoning people who need help.

As for Egwene, I hated her in this book. I personally think she was written poorly and that he missed her character completely, but Egwene detractors will say she's become the bitch they've always known she is. She's become identical to Siuan Sanche in TGH which is tragic because I never thought it was her characters destiny i.e to be such a bitch you're not fun to read about.

I don't think her character was messed up, so much as the presentation. It made no sense that she was actually worried about the politics and not other issues. Frankly, I think this is because Egwene's storyline in tGS and ToM were to have happened in a more condensed manner, but Brandon had to add more to her story in ToM. Unsure what to add, he rehashed the old politics again.

I agree with you that Egwene seemed unnatural and odd in this book.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4139 Views
Just like all women. - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1097 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1563 Views
I second this - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1267 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 543 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 513 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 417 Views
I think that statement says it all. - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1314 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1179 Views
+1, well said *NM* - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 477 Views
Agrees *NM* - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 873 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1092 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1392 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 474 Views
very well said *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 425 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1056 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1338 Views
nice post - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1159 Views
Isn't it implied - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 929 Views
no they were students together - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 878 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1094 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1022 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1044 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1113 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1061 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 965 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1081 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 775 Views
too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 485 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1154 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 979 Views
Re: On the matter of strength - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 981 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 995 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1090 Views
Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1025 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 493 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1051 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1040 Views
yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 989 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 968 Views
Bah... - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1082 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1020 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 559 Views
It makes you uneducated - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 931 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1253 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1281 Views
if that is the purpose of the test - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 985 Views
minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1051 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 873 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1529 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1014 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 980 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 785 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1030 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 975 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1017 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 421 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1001 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1028 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 782 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 936 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1045 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 967 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 947 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 430 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1040 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1099 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 963 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1047 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1091 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 457 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1006 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1185 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 936 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1039 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 944 Views
This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 03:46:31 AM 954 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 09:40:09 AM 1038 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 02:04:02 PM 1340 Views
Re: This test, even by its usual abysmal standards, was idiotic. It bordered on being evil. - 09/12/2010 11:26:40 AM 1066 Views
Agreed... - 09/12/2010 01:54:09 PM 974 Views
One of those few times where I completely agree with fionwe1987. Give over Sidious. You're wrong. - 10/12/2010 03:53:25 PM 1054 Views
no, she did not disagree. slight difference - 10/12/2010 05:53:54 PM 906 Views

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