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That's not what it's really about guttering flame Send a noteboard - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM

Like other posters you are distracted by the illusions of the test and allow them to defeat you. You need to channel 100 weaves while they throw everything from dying babies to your tortured spouse at you. Where's the moral dilemma? Its not real! Weave your stuff and gain the shawl and then go out into the real world and be moral. Its not about status or rank or morality. Its about being intelligent enough to not allow a ter'angreal to stop you from weaving a hundred weaves just because it pulls at your heartstrings. And that is why Nynaeve is a failure... Because she's too dense to dissociate herself from a fake test and a real life test of her character. And that's the benefit of the test, its cuts out all the idiots who can't just walk to a star without cracking up because there's a weave of Fire and Air showing their dead lover.


I'm sure that's what they tell each other it's about, but both this test and the test for Accepted have a common theme, two main components that define them: Shame and Secrecy.

The real-world parallels are obvious.
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Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1044 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1113 Views
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too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 485 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1154 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 978 Views
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Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1025 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 493 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1051 Views
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yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 989 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 967 Views
Bah... - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1082 Views
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You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1253 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1281 Views
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minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1051 Views
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not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1529 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1014 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 979 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 784 Views
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No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 975 Views
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hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 421 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1001 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1028 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 782 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 935 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1045 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 967 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 947 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 430 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1040 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1099 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 962 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1047 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1090 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 457 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1006 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1185 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 936 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1039 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 944 Views

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