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Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai Urbannen Send a noteboard - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM
The test is not in and of itself stupid. Aes Sedai live very long lives, and I get the impression that almost all of them have had to use the power in battle outside the Tower at one point or another. Look at all the instances in the books where the so-called "peaceful" Ajahs like the Brown, Grey, White, and Yellow have had to fight. Where would the world be if Verin had not been an expert at channeling battle? She successfully fought Trollocs at Emond's Field and dueled Graendal to a stand still: "She knew when she was fighting for her life...". At Dumai's Well, Aes Sedai of all colors had to fight against an army of Aiel attackers. Yellow Edesina fireballed zombie villagers and Seanchan soldiers alongside Green Joline. ALL Aes Sedai must be able to fight.

The ability to control one's emotions seems like it would be important for someone who is using psionic/mystical powers. However, this training hasn't seemed to be particularly useful to the Aes Sedai in the book since almost all of them seem prone to fits of various emotions. The rules are a way of shaping a woman to act in a certain way, thus the test tests both composure and battle skills. The Aes Sedai training seems to be about hiding emotions, rather than truly mastering them, which perhaps has been a source of some of the Tower's problems.

I would say that the emphasis on composure is arbitrary, while the emphasis on battle skills is not, thus the composure part of the test will become less and less important as Egwene expands opens the tower to more and more woman channelers.
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Nynaeve's stupidity and the test for Aes Sedai - 07/12/2010 08:27:05 PM 4138 Views
Just like all women. - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1094 Views
Way to totally misunderstand the chapter - 07/12/2010 09:39:08 PM 1563 Views
I second this - 07/12/2010 10:10:24 PM 1267 Views
your bold is stuck. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 542 Views
He BOLDLY seconded it... *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:04:33 PM 511 Views
which is quite excellent. I was just leting him know *NM* - 08/12/2010 03:28:24 PM 417 Views
I think that statement says it all. - 07/12/2010 10:19:50 PM 1311 Views
Thanks. That's exactly what I think. - 08/12/2010 08:29:28 AM 1178 Views
+1, well said *NM* - 08/12/2010 11:19:29 AM 475 Views
Agrees *NM* - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM 871 Views
Yes, the OP totally whiffed here. Nyn couldn't remember.. - 11/12/2010 01:50:11 AM 1092 Views
On the whole, the test is innappropriate IMO - 07/12/2010 09:40:08 PM 1390 Views
I agree with this entirely *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:07:52 PM 472 Views
very well said *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:23:06 PM 422 Views
It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 07/12/2010 11:13:19 PM 1054 Views
Re: It's kind of a chicken and egg thing - 08/12/2010 12:37:20 AM 1337 Views
nice post - 08/12/2010 09:20:02 AM 1157 Views
Isn't it implied - 08/12/2010 02:16:58 PM 927 Views
no they were students together - 08/12/2010 05:33:17 PM 877 Views
No, Lanfear was older than Lews - 08/12/2010 07:21:45 PM 1093 Views
Where on earth did you get that from? - 08/12/2010 08:41:16 PM 1020 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1042 Views
Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 03:56:32 PM 1111 Views
I always got the impression that they were together for quiet some time - 09/12/2010 04:34:23 PM 1059 Views
I think skill with Saidar is easy enough to judge as it's a simple matter to see the skill - 08/12/2010 05:37:27 PM 964 Views
I think the greens should have been on Nynaeve's side as well - 08/12/2010 06:18:16 PM 1080 Views
Problem is they are Aes Sedai and thus more likley to be political rather than rational! *NM* - 08/12/2010 08:52:00 PM 775 Views
too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 484 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1154 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 977 Views
Re: On the matter of strength - 10/12/2010 10:38:42 AM 980 Views
The test is stupid and it was about time someone pointed it out - 07/12/2010 10:29:38 PM 994 Views
Channeling under duress IS necessary for ALL Aes Sedai - 05/01/2011 12:04:53 AM 1089 Views
Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1024 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 492 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1050 Views
They're constantly outsmarted by a teenage girl that has spent most of her life in a damn farm. - 08/12/2010 10:32:50 AM 1037 Views
yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 987 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 966 Views
Bah... - 09/12/2010 10:56:24 AM 1081 Views
Nope, the Sitters were always stupid - 09/12/2010 12:37:05 PM 1020 Views
cause being rural automatically makes you dumb?..... *NM* - 09/12/2010 05:34:11 PM 558 Views
It makes you uneducated - 09/12/2010 05:46:49 PM 929 Views
You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 04:39:44 AM 1253 Views
Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1280 Views
if that is the purpose of the test - 08/12/2010 01:34:45 PM 983 Views
minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1049 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 872 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1528 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1013 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 978 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 784 Views
Oh it's totally stupid! - 09/12/2010 04:37:14 PM 1029 Views
No I know why she took the job. I just don't understand why she got it - 09/12/2010 04:52:34 PM 975 Views
I think Elaida just smarmed up at the right time, Morgase was very young then - 09/12/2010 05:52:29 PM 1016 Views
hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 419 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1000 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1027 Views
I think it has already been established that the purpose of the test is to ensure that - 08/12/2010 09:59:18 PM 781 Views
Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 933 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1043 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 966 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 946 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 429 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1039 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1097 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 960 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1045 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1088 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 455 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1004 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1184 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 934 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1037 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 943 Views

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