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Agrees *NM* Onarishma Send a noteboard - 09/12/2010 03:27:53 PM
The reasoning behind Nynaeve's actions is pointed out quite clearly:

"That's why I broke the rules. I thought they were just arbitrary. I couldn't remember why I wasn't supposed to run, so in the face of seeing people die, it seemed silly to walk."

"My goal in this test was to prove that I deserve to be Aes Sedai. Well, then, I could argue that the lives of the people I saw were more important than gaining that title. If losing my title is what would be required to save someone's life—and if there were no other consequences—I'd do it. Every time."

"I wonder if," Nynaeve said, "we sometimes put the White Tower—as
an institution—before the people we serve. I wonder if we let it become a goal in itself, instead of a means to help us achieve greater goals."

"Would you have me choose between a foolish oath and the fate of the world?""


The Aes Sedai claim to serve a higher purpose but most of the time they live in their ivory tower and bicker amongst themselves. Calmly obeying orders is great...if the one who gives the orders has a clue. Nynaeve has proven many times she can cope with extreme situations.

The point of the test is to prove that the woman can remain calm and achieve a higher purpose in the face of extreme stress, which Nynaeve cannot do.


Of course she can, she defeated Forsaken. She does it when she knows and believes in this higher purpose. For a real world analogy - many soldiers would die for their country but wouldn't risk their lives by becoming mercenaries.

The fact that Nynaeve wants to rescue children and other suffering people when she's exposed to them makes her a serious risk to a higher purpose.


No, if there is a tangible goal Nynaeve can choose. It's arbitrary rules she has a problem with. For instance she doesn't go rescue Mat from Ebou Dar or she goes to the WT in Book 2 instead of staying around Rand to help him. If she were that incapable of seeing the bigger picture she would never go fight and would just go around healing people. The whole point is that while trying to save everyone might be too idealistic to work in the real world, sacrificing everything for the sake of an ideal (the WT) can backfire too, especially if this ideal is very far from perfect. A balance needs to be struck.
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Just like all women. - 07/12/2010 09:15:12 PM 1576 Views
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your bold is stuck. *NM* - 07/12/2010 10:21:22 PM 769 Views
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too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 696 Views
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On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1430 Views
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minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1502 Views
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not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1982 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1532 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1498 Views
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hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 629 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1428 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1476 Views
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Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1382 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 650 Views
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Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1554 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1420 Views
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The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1453 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1370 Views

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