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That's not what it's really about guttering flame Send a noteboard - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM

Like other posters you are distracted by the illusions of the test and allow them to defeat you. You need to channel 100 weaves while they throw everything from dying babies to your tortured spouse at you. Where's the moral dilemma? Its not real! Weave your stuff and gain the shawl and then go out into the real world and be moral. Its not about status or rank or morality. Its about being intelligent enough to not allow a ter'angreal to stop you from weaving a hundred weaves just because it pulls at your heartstrings. And that is why Nynaeve is a failure... Because she's too dense to dissociate herself from a fake test and a real life test of her character. And that's the benefit of the test, its cuts out all the idiots who can't just walk to a star without cracking up because there's a weave of Fire and Air showing their dead lover.


I'm sure that's what they tell each other it's about, but both this test and the test for Accepted have a common theme, two main components that define them: Shame and Secrecy.

The real-world parallels are obvious.
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Re: Where on earth did you get that from? - 09/12/2010 10:27:20 AM 1240 Views
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too f'n true *NM* - 09/12/2010 12:17:58 AM 564 Views
Re: nice post - 09/12/2010 01:23:50 PM 1335 Views
On the matter of strength - 09/12/2010 08:51:36 PM 1175 Views
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Well - 07/12/2010 11:03:38 PM 1221 Views
Status is not an end in itself. *NM* - 07/12/2010 11:52:37 PM 574 Views
They're not really stupid... - 08/12/2010 01:00:20 AM 1261 Views
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yeah because that's so realistic - 08/12/2010 12:17:29 PM 1168 Views
Egwene had everything handed to her on a silver platter. - 08/12/2010 11:50:17 PM 1129 Views
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Re: You are not only wrong in your call, - 08/12/2010 09:13:37 AM 1462 Views
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minor disagreement - 08/12/2010 05:27:51 PM 1242 Views
Yes, but you can be not-panicked and not calm of body - 08/12/2010 06:38:56 PM 1070 Views
not really the same thing as what the AS are getting at though - 08/12/2010 09:02:05 PM 1737 Views
that's retarded, imo - 09/12/2010 12:21:27 AM 1204 Views
About Elaida... - 09/12/2010 12:29:21 PM 1244 Views
...no wonder the Aes Sedai are floundering - 09/12/2010 01:43:42 PM 996 Views
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hmm. curse smarming, then *NM* - 09/12/2010 07:47:26 PM 506 Views
As I recall... - 10/12/2010 05:18:25 AM 1195 Views
Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 08/12/2010 06:48:50 PM 1223 Views
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Yeah, but how does that work? - 08/12/2010 10:24:35 PM 1104 Views
Somewhere in the sub-conscious they know what they're doing is important to them. - 09/12/2010 12:20:47 AM 1232 Views
Even so, it wouldn't work. - 09/12/2010 03:32:55 AM 1154 Views
Another headless chicken example. - 09/12/2010 12:30:02 AM 1133 Views
the headless chicken is just such a lovely metaphor for panic *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:48:11 AM 509 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 09/12/2010 12:07:15 PM 1213 Views
Re: Oh. Well, I'm sorry then. - 10/12/2010 05:32:27 AM 1297 Views
The main difference - 10/12/2010 05:50:43 AM 1154 Views
I'm not sure I agree. - 08/12/2010 12:17:12 PM 1215 Views
You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 02:59:50 AM 1313 Views
I hate it when I love you just a little *NM* - 09/12/2010 04:46:57 AM 542 Views
Re: You seem to have no grasp of the difference between "politic" and "right" - 09/12/2010 09:26:21 AM 1185 Views
That's not the dilema - 09/12/2010 05:23:19 PM 1381 Views
That's not what it's really about - 10/12/2010 05:44:12 AM 1130 Views
The paralells are not obvious to me... - 15/12/2010 11:42:51 AM 1209 Views
More like - 15/12/2010 01:26:40 PM 1116 Views

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