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Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin Send a noteboard - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM
She would not dare face rands strength directly if rahvin fell before him.


And Demandred won't go after Rand without a sa'angreal. None of this is conclusive except to say that the Forsaken are scared when Ishamael and Rahvin get killed, because both were very strong.


If they fight in the next book, it might be Rand who's at the disadvantage in pure power.
When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known. When the fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.
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The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Sidious - 12/09/2009 09:27:20 PM 1888 Views
Some thoughts about Semmy Lordling - 12/09/2009 09:59:50 PM 1063 Views
Re: Some thoughts about Semmy Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:33:28 AM 1131 Views
Of course... Digital_Eon - 13/09/2009 08:36:39 AM 923 Views
I've been thinking the same for years Dragonsworn - 12/09/2009 11:25:02 PM 1041 Views
The Big White Book says... Yvves - 12/09/2009 11:46:43 PM 1105 Views
Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:36:37 AM 1112 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:16:13 PM 1022 Views
Re: Not Aginor Sidious - 13/09/2009 05:47:14 PM 1064 Views
Fact is, the bwb is untrustworthy Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:54:28 PM 980 Views
We must either use all the quotes from the BWB or none of them Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:07:46 PM 1013 Views
Or... Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:41:23 PM 961 Views
Re: Or... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:46:52 AM 922 Views
But, RJ himself said that the BWB was written from the standpoint of a scholar RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:42:59 PM 1007 Views
Re: Not Aginor NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 08:17:28 PM 925 Views
It all depends on how you define "powerful" Lanfear - 14/09/2009 02:30:31 AM 1030 Views
I agree 101%. *NM* Yvves - 14/09/2009 03:49:51 AM 518 Views
I think power is much more than raw strength Sidious - 14/09/2009 05:00:10 AM 938 Views
I agree for the most part, but disagree on one thing. Lanfear - 14/09/2009 07:52:10 PM 1098 Views
Re: The top 6 Forsaken - similar in the One Power Bulgakov - 12/09/2009 11:48:03 PM 969 Views
the other reason NaClH2O - 13/09/2009 03:24:24 PM 892 Views
So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Shannow - 13/09/2009 05:41:42 PM 895 Views
Graendal could fight Lanfear and win Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:01:57 PM 1480 Views
Graendal herself says... Shannow - 13/09/2009 09:08:46 PM 923 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:48:37 AM 984 Views
Doesn't Graendal have an Angreal now? Rurouni_Kenshin - 17/09/2009 03:29:10 AM 1000 Views
Re: Graendal herself says... Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:36:53 PM 863 Views
Lanfear was more powerful than Graendal, but Cyndane has less power beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:19:35 PM 925 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? Watcher - 13/09/2009 06:05:11 PM 1085 Views
I agree with this Sidious - 13/09/2009 06:15:24 PM 1077 Views
Compulsion=any other deadly weave. Doesn't really change matters beetnemesis - 13/09/2009 10:23:40 PM 952 Views
Excellent point *NM* Shannow - 13/09/2009 10:35:08 PM 528 Views
But it did give her an edge, and against two forsaken. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:12:09 PM 494 Views
Hm? When? *NM* beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:04:10 PM 432 Views
tPoD, when she compelled Cyndane and Moghedien. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:19:23 PM 470 Views
Not at all Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 999 Views
Using Compulsion on someone doesn't seem mechanically different beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:03:41 PM 852 Views
I'm not so sure about that Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:36:45 PM 933 Views
Totally agree Shannow - 14/09/2009 10:26:07 PM 790 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:33:04 PM 1060 Views
Re: So is graendal similar to lanfear then? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:34:24 PM 885 Views
But Graendal confronted her... twice! *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 07:48:29 PM 445 Views
Apparently only the third time counts *NM* Sidious - 13/09/2009 08:00:37 PM 486 Views
But the third time's supposed to be lucky. So that won't count either. *NM* fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:26:18 PM 509 Views
Really? Shannow - 13/09/2009 08:36:33 PM 923 Views
No falsely... fionwe1987 - 13/09/2009 11:25:40 PM 1145 Views
That's pretty much my opinion in a nutshell Sidious - 14/09/2009 04:56:15 AM 1103 Views
And, of course, the male and female OP strength ranks might not even correlate that much RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:41:58 PM 861 Views
They correlate on some critical points Sidious - 14/09/2009 06:57:43 PM 1062 Views
That's not exactly what I'm referring to. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:36:29 PM 814 Views
But then we are discussing the same thing Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:59:04 PM 948 Views
I think, outside of semantics, our main disagreement doesn't lie amid the higher tiers RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 03:53:09 PM 823 Views
Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 06:31:27 PM 968 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/09/2009 07:19:03 PM 938 Views
Re: Probably Sidious - 16/09/2009 08:59:31 PM 924 Views
Re: Probably RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/09/2009 07:03:09 PM 1268 Views
Ahh the old debate... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 12:42:36 AM 902 Views
Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM 872 Views
I only disagree on one point, I think they are all rather equal in potential, incl. Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 04:28:12 PM 954 Views
I do think Ishamel is special Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:03 PM 1029 Views
He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/09/2009 11:36:42 PM 992 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 08:36:20 AM 958 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 03:48:34 PM 943 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 04:39:39 PM 910 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 04:53:00 PM 920 Views
Re: He's special the same way any individual is special. Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:47:45 PM 965 Views
The more interesting question is... AgentOrange - 14/09/2009 06:34:11 PM 854 Views
Hmmm Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:04:34 PM 946 Views
I think we'll see Graendal vs. Aran'gar. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:31:16 PM 975 Views
Ah yes, that makes sense, and would be great! *NM* Sidious - 14/09/2009 07:40:29 PM 792 Views
Yeah. Though I think its no competition. Graendal has got to be better than a walking tree! fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 07:50:09 PM 852 Views
They do imply that Graendal is a lot more dangerous than she looks beetnemesis - 14/09/2009 09:08:43 PM 880 Views
I've never underestimated Graendal Sidious - 14/09/2009 09:42:49 PM 933 Views
Yeah... her frivolity was always a red flag for me too. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2009 10:18:40 PM 975 Views
To me, she is the most lethal. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/09/2009 05:18:10 PM 723 Views
Yup... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:39:20 PM 778 Views
I still like Lanfear more Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:51:03 PM 865 Views
Bah! She's an idiot! fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:06:06 PM 872 Views
only in love *NM* Sidious - 15/09/2009 07:23:29 PM 827 Views
Graendal did not beat me and Moghedien Lanfear - 15/09/2009 05:59:39 PM 967 Views
Agreed Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:36:48 PM 853 Views
Ummm... how do we know? fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 06:40:57 PM 989 Views
Re: Ummm... how do we know? Sidious - 15/09/2009 06:56:21 PM 901 Views
Hmmm... fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 07:07:45 PM 1098 Views
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