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Re: Ahh the old debate... Sidious Send a noteboard - 17/09/2009 05:26:52 AM
I still think its weird that you take Asmodean's word over RJ's. He stated clearly that exactly the same number of men and women will be strong enough to be Aes Sedai if you consider the dexterity advantage women have. Which is as clear a statement as possible that the average male and the average female have the same capability.

What you're ignoring is that the average Aes Sedai is considerably weaker than the average woman. This is because the Tower's averages are extremely skewed due to their stupid policies.

Once they start recruiting from all over the world, not only will they have more channelers, their averages will improve too.

The best comparison between men and women comes from the Damane vs. Asha'man fighting in tPoD. Damane cannot link either, and are hardly the most skilled channelers in the world, yet they give the Asha'man a good run for their money. What does that say about male female parity?


I recall you getting into a debate about the statistics, where another poster also well verse in mathematics disagreed that his statement meant that. Either way, I think it's clear that he changed his mind half way through the series so I think one plausibly decide what to believe. What I don't understand about your contention is that you're so willing to believe that Asmodean is wrong. It's clearly a Moiraine/Gandalf moment where we are given a small lecture on how the Power works, not some complex subterfuge to fool Rand. I just think that on average in the AOL, average men were strong enough overall to be considered a step higher than women in power. Moghedien also says this to Nynaeve about 'the average man', so it seems like a convenient mass delusion if it's not true.

The average Aes Sedai is stronger than the average woman, not weaker. Egwene's sample is an excellent sample because she took 1,000 females who showed up at her door. Yeah, maybe some Nynaeve's got lost on the way, but I'm sure some Morgase's did too. Egwene doesn't have much hope for the collective strength of her sample. Aes Sedai have always been picky about strength and tend to take the strongest. You can't even become Accepted if you don't have enough strength in the Power, never mind gain the shawl. That's why so many AS can Travel compared to other women, and even among them only a few can do so.

As for the damane, that really is a skewed sample. Most damane come from a long line of training focussed primarily on destruction. Ash'aman have been channeling for a few months at best. Even so, I think the damane came off far worse. I don't recall any Ash'aman dying, but several damane were killed or captured. It might come down to Earth/Fire vs Water/Air though - Moghedien said men are very good at destruction and I think it's a good and applicable quote.
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