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I think it's interesting Libby Send a noteboard - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM
Whole, unbroken order, strong societal rules.

There's nothing to say that channellers are special to the Pattern - the Pattern could just kill off the ability and leave the world in Seanchan rule and things would be fine.

If the Pattern represents Order and the DO is Chaos, then Moridin's taunting of Rand's idea to kill the DO ("I doubt you comprehend the stupidity of your statement";) becomes more interesting. Without the DO to keep humans in check and to be a unifying enemy, the world can succumb to other pitfalls. Not that I advocate for the DO, of course. Just throwing ideas out there.

In other words: What if Seanchan rule is the GOAL of the Pattern?


It's certainly possible, considering the Wheel/Pattern is neither good nor evil.

I do find it interesting though that the last Ta'veren before Rand, Mat, and Perrin was Hawkwing. And since Ta'verens aren't born, but are made as the Wheel needs them to be. And with the Seanchan pretty much an extension of Hawkwings lost empire. There must be some reason or purpose for their continued existence that's already been set in the Pattern.

I personally believe the Seanchan are going to be fighting alongside the Randland forces in the Last Battle, but maybe they're going to play a bigger role in the aftermath. It's all speculation of course, but I think it's an interesting discussion.
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Seanchan Takeover of Randland Mordie01 - 22/01/2011 11:25:36 PM 2309 Views
I would be mostly okay with it if they abolished slavery first Deadsy - 23/01/2011 12:19:48 AM 1235 Views
Hopefully the Dragon's Peace (not the one Avi saw the effects of) those concerns. *NM* Japhy - 23/01/2011 03:21:04 AM 579 Views
You mean utter anarchy and a dangerously stratified society? Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 07:24:48 AM 1009 Views
The situation in Seanchan isn't that unique ranagrande - 23/01/2011 07:49:28 AM 1058 Views
Except with continous rebellion. Chas - 23/01/2011 12:13:17 PM 1050 Views
That's to be expected. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 12:56:07 PM 1005 Views
there's tons of problems there, but 20+ leaders/royals killed? Disaster anywhere... *NM* newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:38:57 AM 520 Views
Funny; Caemlyn's succession crises aren't nearly as bad. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/01/2011 11:00:45 PM 513 Views
Rand deserves some credit, he did get involved early and held the Lion Throne for Elayne. *NM* Libby - 24/01/2011 08:47:42 AM 541 Views
The anarchy is what happens in the absence of Seanchan power. Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:10:56 PM 1019 Views
Yes. That is a flaw of Seanchan governance. Ghavrel - 28/01/2011 01:54:00 AM 920 Views
It's not the Empire's fault, and that flaw is not being duplicated in the wetlands Cannoli - 28/01/2011 11:24:00 PM 1204 Views
Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 02:09:05 AM 930 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 29/01/2011 01:10:36 PM 1027 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? fionwe1987 - 29/01/2011 10:02:27 PM 855 Views
Re: Wait... the indegenous Seanchan haven't changed in a thousand years? ranagrande - 30/01/2011 03:56:23 AM 1077 Views
It's like you don't even read anything when you post. My posts, the books themselves... Cannoli - 02/02/2011 06:41:10 PM 1051 Views
They treat channelers like DOGS! so, No. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 23/01/2011 07:56:22 AM 511 Views
I treat my dog better *NM* Voscaia Sedai - 23/01/2011 10:28:08 AM 494 Views
Good point. *NM* Evil_Monkey - 24/01/2011 01:47:29 AM 515 Views
Dogs never broke the world or created Shadowspawn, so they have it coming *NM* Cannoli - 27/01/2011 01:07:32 PM 495 Views
The Pattern certainly has some plan or purpose for the Seanchan. Libby - 23/01/2011 10:59:33 AM 1094 Views
That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lord Haart - 23/01/2011 11:41:35 PM 934 Views
If we're going to personify things, we should be personifying the Wheel, not the Pattern. Ghavrel - 24/01/2011 12:13:49 AM 959 Views
I think it's interesting Libby - 24/01/2011 09:23:40 AM 978 Views
There has been ta'veren since Hawkwing and before the Triple. Lohikaarme - 28/01/2011 11:56:46 AM 1038 Views
Who were they? Libby - 29/01/2011 12:33:58 AM 915 Views
Re: That's what's scary. In many ways, the Seanchan embody the goals of the Pattern Lo'oris - 24/01/2011 12:38:38 PM 878 Views
Um, no newyorkersedai - 23/01/2011 11:36:24 AM 1052 Views
look around you again redhand - 23/01/2011 03:24:01 PM 1025 Views
Re: look around you again Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 03:54:49 PM 997 Views
Seanchan equality before the law Zeratul - 23/01/2011 04:09:54 PM 1058 Views
Re: Seanchan equality before the law Watcher - 23/01/2011 04:22:28 PM 1018 Views
a) most of that is your own extrapolation, not shown in the text moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:56:14 PM 994 Views
Yes. moratcorlm - 23/01/2011 04:47:30 PM 996 Views
Mostly, yes. redqueen - 23/01/2011 05:57:17 PM 957 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 06:10:10 PM 975 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. ranagrande - 23/01/2011 06:33:00 PM 1064 Views
Re: Mostly, yes. Lo'oris - 23/01/2011 11:03:36 PM 944 Views
Not really redqueen - 23/01/2011 07:12:27 PM 951 Views
I disagree. Bergioyn - 25/01/2011 07:17:18 PM 955 Views
I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 24/01/2011 08:04:21 PM 1080 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 25/01/2011 10:40:58 AM 900 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Skeeve the Great - 25/01/2011 05:55:13 PM 922 Views
Re: I see them as neccessary evil to eventually eliminate channeling. Lo'oris - 26/01/2011 12:10:54 AM 1140 Views
"We" don't know of the One Power existing, so obviously it disappears. *NM* Deadsy - 26/01/2011 12:14:19 AM 524 Views
Lack of knowledge doesn't mean the One Power vanishes or is destroyed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/01/2011 04:03:22 PM 885 Views
If OP still existed, you'd still have sparkers even "today". *NM* Myrdhyn - 26/01/2011 06:34:50 PM 503 Views
Not exactly; genetics are more complicated. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/01/2011 09:48:48 PM 977 Views
No RugbyPlayingAshaman - 25/01/2011 05:41:09 PM 1084 Views
Ah, um, no. Ghavrel - 29/01/2011 11:53:16 PM 988 Views
The thing is orius - 04/02/2011 05:29:15 AM 933 Views
They didn't break anything Lo'oris - 04/02/2011 02:13:10 PM 996 Views
Contemplate this then.... Jeordam - 04/02/2011 10:29:09 PM 1038 Views
Re: Contemplate this then.... redqueen - 06/02/2011 12:44:21 AM 996 Views
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