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Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti Send a noteboard - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM
I disagree; though. On a macro scale, it could simply be the case that certain people will always act in certain ways, so its' not a question of their lack of freedom, but the fact that they are pre-destined to make certain decisions. In that interpretation, it could actually be said that the Pattern is made up of all the variations that mortal people would choose, with the parallel universes farther away from the main choices and outcomes being less real.


What are you talking about man? This isn't the real world, it's a story. A story whose premise is built around themes of destiny. There are no choices, this is determinism to the core. Everyone is a pawn, except for Rand, maybe Ishamael. Fate itself lies on Rand's decisions.
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Rand is the Great Serpent entyti - 08/02/2011 04:21:32 AM 2036 Views
Yeah, that seems logical, funny to see rand bite himself in the ass :p *NM* Kieran - 08/02/2011 06:31:44 AM 618 Views
I want to reply and say that's not exactly how I picture it, but I don't want to be dirty. *NM* Deadsy - 08/02/2011 06:50:17 AM 662 Views
there once was a man from nantucket? *NM* nigelgoboom - 08/02/2011 07:18:47 AM 588 Views
Bwah ha ha! Dirty minds think alike! *NM* Evil_Monkey - 08/02/2011 03:41:30 PM 562 Views
That actually seems cosmically plausible - but I really hope this is not the case RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 03:27:29 PM 1359 Views
But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... Shannow - 08/02/2011 03:58:24 PM 1233 Views
This. There's a reason one of his archetypes is the Fisher King. *NM* Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 07:00:05 PM 635 Views
The issue is that the Fisher King story is about the Land, not the People RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/02/2011 08:02:24 PM 1174 Views
A good example Kieran - 08/02/2011 08:27:44 PM 1181 Views
None of this is contradicted by what I have posited entyti - 08/02/2011 09:16:48 PM 1109 Views
But the chess analogy is what I'm seeing - the Dragon is necessary in degree not in total. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:42:15 PM 1222 Views
Yes, those are the rules in chess... entyti - 10/02/2011 05:34:25 AM 1113 Views
The Fisher King is not a messianic myth. Ghavrel - 08/02/2011 10:07:44 PM 1201 Views
Fisher King title and legends are connected to the Messianic mythos RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 09:47:14 PM 1409 Views
The disciples, not Jesus, were the "fishers of men." EDITED. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 10:08:24 PM 1057 Views
Yeah, you're right about the fish - I was reaching (and typed too fast to think) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 05:30:29 PM 1093 Views
Re: But that has always been the case. I am astounded that it isn't recognized more often... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:47:14 AM 1169 Views
You two are like a married couple without the benefit of the makeup sex. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:30:10 AM 1274 Views
*NM* fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:53:17 AM 512 Views
*NM* Sir Tybalt - 10/02/2011 02:52:28 PM 577 Views
Huh? No. You are so off it's not even funny. Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:16:05 AM 1312 Views
Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 06:17:55 AM 1206 Views
Re: Looks like somebody hasn't read The Gathering Storm. Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:20:21 AM 1188 Views
Atop Dragonmount, for one... fionwe1987 - 09/02/2011 07:36:56 AM 1215 Views
I'm exhausted, so I may be misremembering. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:27:18 AM 1153 Views
That was Tam. Gher - 09/02/2011 05:09:45 PM 1247 Views
That is a key difference. Japhy - 09/02/2011 06:38:24 PM 1087 Views
Re: Atop Dragonmount, for one... Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:12:02 PM 1199 Views
Not at all! fionwe1987 - 10/02/2011 02:58:39 AM 1101 Views
You sound like Ishamael RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 02:38:52 PM 1184 Views
Re: You sound like Ishamael Velveti - 09/02/2011 03:17:58 PM 1182 Views
I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 03:54:04 PM 1275 Views
Re: I'm definitely not confusing this with the real world roflmao Velveti - 09/02/2011 06:10:01 PM 1248 Views
Seems to me that you're confused. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/02/2011 08:27:06 PM 1022 Views
Seems to me that YOU'RE confused. Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:09:41 AM 1159 Views
You might actually want to read what people wrote. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 03:13:52 PM 1063 Views
The amount of elitism on this board would be depressing if it weren't so damned funny. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 09:18:13 PM 1117 Views
What depresses me... entyti - 09/02/2011 11:23:13 PM 1050 Views
I, personally, like it. It makes sense for the Dragon to be an incarnation of the Serpent. Ghavrel - 09/02/2011 11:39:28 PM 1170 Views
I didn't mean to hijack it - other replies did RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/02/2011 02:51:35 PM 1116 Views
It is of little consequence entyti - 10/02/2011 05:36:40 PM 1083 Views
Relax homeboy. It was a joke. *NM* Velveti - 10/02/2011 02:07:55 AM 601 Views
I guess the DO just has "Serpent Envy?" *NM* newyorkersedai - 12/02/2011 01:13:40 PM 563 Views
*NM* entyti - 12/02/2011 02:47:09 PM 544 Views
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