The prologue gives us strong evidence that Graendal is weaker than Demi or Semi
Lanfear Send a noteboard - 18/09/2009 03:55:58 PM
Some of Graendal's thoughts shed more light on the subject of pecking order among the Chosen. Particularly her thoughts about Semirhage vs. Demandred vs. Mesaana are intriguing. These thoughts I do not doubt and I now believe that Semirhage and Demandred are pretty much on an equal playing field. Mesaana clearly seems weaker in Graendal's opinion.
Nonetheless, before we jump to the conclusion that Mesaana is weaker in the power, we should at least look at all of the evidence. Graendal's thoughts could have been implying much more than just one power strength/prowess. I think many of Graendal's thoughts were looking at someone's ability to manipulate others, control events, etc., and were not necessarily a reflection of who would win in a one power duel. It very well could be that Mesaana is just as strong of a channeler as the others, but that she lacks the political maneuvering skills of Demandred and Semirhage. Maybe that is why Graendal sees Mesaana as weaker than Demi or Semi.
Also, now that Graendal has an angreal, any statements regarding how she personally would do against the other Chosen have to be scrutinized closely. Of course Graendal's confidence in her ability to confront the other Chosen is boosted. She has an angreal. Without her angreal she might be expressing different opinions about her own ability to confront the others. What affect does Graendal's angreal have on her ascertainment of her own ability to confront the others? You have to admit it has some effect, perhaps a significant effect.
I wouldn't describe Graendal as afraid of Demandred or Semirhage. But there's no doubt that she wonders whether she could take either of them out. I think this is the best evidence so far that Demandred and Semirhage are more powerful than Graendal, in one power terms. Simply put, even with the angreal's boost in strength, Graendal thinks she is only evenly matched against Demandred or Semirhage. That says a lot. Take away her angreal, and it clearly shows that Graendal is weaker than both Demi and Semi.
Nonetheless, before we jump to the conclusion that Mesaana is weaker in the power, we should at least look at all of the evidence. Graendal's thoughts could have been implying much more than just one power strength/prowess. I think many of Graendal's thoughts were looking at someone's ability to manipulate others, control events, etc., and were not necessarily a reflection of who would win in a one power duel. It very well could be that Mesaana is just as strong of a channeler as the others, but that she lacks the political maneuvering skills of Demandred and Semirhage. Maybe that is why Graendal sees Mesaana as weaker than Demi or Semi.
Also, now that Graendal has an angreal, any statements regarding how she personally would do against the other Chosen have to be scrutinized closely. Of course Graendal's confidence in her ability to confront the other Chosen is boosted. She has an angreal. Without her angreal she might be expressing different opinions about her own ability to confront the others. What affect does Graendal's angreal have on her ascertainment of her own ability to confront the others? You have to admit it has some effect, perhaps a significant effect.
I wouldn't describe Graendal as afraid of Demandred or Semirhage. But there's no doubt that she wonders whether she could take either of them out. I think this is the best evidence so far that Demandred and Semirhage are more powerful than Graendal, in one power terms. Simply put, even with the angreal's boost in strength, Graendal thinks she is only evenly matched against Demandred or Semirhage. That says a lot. Take away her angreal, and it clearly shows that Graendal is weaker than both Demi and Semi.
TGS Prologue - your thoughts (part 2) *spoilers*
- 16/09/2009 04:55:21 AM
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Where can i find it at? Can someone give me a link? *NM*
- 18/09/2009 02:21:10 AM
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mobipocket.com
- 18/09/2009 02:53:13 AM
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Thanks, It was interesting especially the last part of the prologue *NM*
- 20/09/2009 02:42:28 AM
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A pointless survey - take your guess at who wrote what of the Prologue
- 18/09/2009 01:30:24 PM
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Re: A pointless survey - take your guess at who wrote what of the Prologue
- 18/09/2009 07:08:43 PM
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The prologue gives us strong evidence that Graendal is weaker than Demi or Semi
- 18/09/2009 03:55:58 PM
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I'm a little surprised nobody is discussing this. I thought this would get more attention. *NM*
- 20/09/2009 09:17:57 PM
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Is it me or do the Forsaken seem more viscious?
- 18/09/2009 04:17:22 PM
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yep, leaner and meaner...except for mesaana-she's still twitchy after shadar haran *NM*
- 18/09/2009 05:09:29 PM
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Trollocs!
- 18/09/2009 05:35:12 PM
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Why not a gray man then?
- 18/09/2009 07:52:55 PM
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Because they wanted to destroy as much of the force as possible
- 19/09/2009 12:07:57 AM
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But there's no plausible deniability
- 19/09/2009 12:50:42 AM
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But even several grey men or slayer aren't going to get the deed done
- 19/09/2009 02:28:36 AM
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Who is Graendal going to wack?
- 18/09/2009 06:00:12 PM
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I think it could be Tam. *NM*
- 18/09/2009 06:05:12 PM
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Great idea.
- 18/09/2009 07:12:40 PM
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Its about time for Perrin to reunite with Rand he's got Faile back
- 18/09/2009 08:15:47 PM
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Re: Its about time for Perrin to reunite with Rand he's got Faile back
- 18/09/2009 10:41:12 PM
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Mesaana's statement gives us a big clue about Demandred's and Moridin's whereabouts
- 18/09/2009 09:11:49 PM
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My favorite quote: "Who will win? The child or the fool?" - Graendal
- 18/09/2009 09:48:55 PM
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but she didn't say 'the fool or the fool'
- 19/09/2009 02:07:20 PM
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- 19/09/2009 02:07:20 PM
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Yes, because Cannoli has long valued the opinions of the Forsaken...
- 20/09/2009 06:10:58 AM
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- 20/09/2009 06:10:58 AM
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Forsaken Chapter
- 18/09/2009 10:30:10 PM
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I agree that Graendal will die in this book.... her and A'rangar *NM*
- 19/09/2009 08:14:07 AM
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Various comments
- 19/09/2009 05:38:21 PM
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The Dying Man
- 19/09/2009 06:48:09 PM
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After a reread I think I know who sent the Trollocs
- 19/09/2009 08:28:08 PM
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Another reason why Moridin is not Taim
- 19/09/2009 08:41:03 PM
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This isn't evidence.
- 19/09/2009 08:51:54 PM
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It isn't evidence, but it is another perspective to add to the table
- 19/09/2009 09:11:15 PM
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Why is Moridin and not Demandred marshalling the Dark Forces in the Blight?
- 19/09/2009 10:35:06 PM
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I think there are many issues here
- 19/09/2009 10:51:13 PM
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The Malign Influence of the Forsaken
- 19/09/2009 11:08:00 PM
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I have doubts about that degree of conversion
- 19/09/2009 11:17:44 PM
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Re: Why is Moridin and not Demandred marshalling the Dark Forces in the Blight?
- 20/09/2009 09:44:06 AM
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Did Demandred make the connection between Moridin's phantom hand-pain and Semirhage's firebolt?
- 20/09/2009 12:11:32 PM
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I don't think that Demandred will be a key player at the end with Rand
- 20/09/2009 01:00:58 PM
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Some sweeping statements there...
- 20/09/2009 01:21:46 PM
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Not at all
- 20/09/2009 03:34:59 PM
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A lot of twisting my words there, and direct contradictions of your own points...
- 20/09/2009 04:19:57 PM
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Not really
- 20/09/2009 05:12:42 PM
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I couldn't have summarized it better myself...
- 20/09/2009 05:25:56 PM
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But...
- 20/09/2009 06:01:33 PM
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Possible...
- 20/09/2009 06:08:21 PM
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So that's your argument now?
- 20/09/2009 07:35:52 PM
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- 20/09/2009 07:35:52 PM
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I think you took that the wrong way...
- 20/09/2009 08:53:28 PM
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Wow, then I think you're in for a surprise
- 20/09/2009 08:38:37 PM
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Just a general comment...
- 20/09/2009 09:13:51 PM
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Re: Just a general comment...
- 20/09/2009 09:59:51 PM
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I reject the cult of the "cool" villain.
- 20/09/2009 11:24:40 PM
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I don't really agree
- 21/09/2009 05:02:10 AM
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But these aren't criminals...
- 21/09/2009 05:47:40 AM
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