I think this is a grey area in how those particular sentences are read. I only remember it from the audio.
He was on the other side, but he was never the Dragon. He could never be, with LTT to take the role. That's why it's foolish.
The way I read it, Graendal thinks it's foolish for Demandred to hold the grudge. Then in the next sentence, she explains what exactly that grudge was (that he thought he could have been the Dragon himself). She herself sees that it is foolish because he could never be that because of LTT. It makes sense within the context of the LTT/Demandred relationship. Demandred wanted to be everything LTT was; he was (and still is) obsessed with LTT.
To say that Demandred could have been the Dragon probably also argues that he is stronger than Moridin, which I don't think can be true.
Oh and to quote fragments, all you have to do is place the "< quote> or < /quote> tag (with the space removed) around the phrases you want to quote.
I disagree. If you read it again, it says the following:
"He was a fool to bear that grudge. To think he might have been on the other side—might have become the Dragon himself, had things turned out differently. Still, fool or not, he was extremely dangerous, and Graendal did not like being ignorant of his plans".
That passage starts by conveying the message that Graendal believes it foolish for him to hold such a strong grudge against Lews Therin.
GRAENDAL then reflects on the fact that it is ironic that Demandred holds such strong anti-Lews Therin feelings when he could so easily have been on the side of the Light, and been the Dragon himself, had things only turned out differently. It is GRAENDAL thinking that. It is not Graendal thinking that DEMANDRED holds that view.
Look at the context.
"To think he might have been on the other side."
That is not foolish. He WAS on the other side. That is clearly Graendal reflecting on how easily Demandred could have been on the side of the Light instead of being one of the Chosen. It ties up with what the BWB and Mesaana has said before.
"He was a fool to bear that grudge. To think he might have been on the other side—might have become the Dragon himself, had things turned out differently. Still, fool or not, he was extremely dangerous, and Graendal did not like being ignorant of his plans".
That passage starts by conveying the message that Graendal believes it foolish for him to hold such a strong grudge against Lews Therin.
GRAENDAL then reflects on the fact that it is ironic that Demandred holds such strong anti-Lews Therin feelings when he could so easily have been on the side of the Light, and been the Dragon himself, had things only turned out differently. It is GRAENDAL thinking that. It is not Graendal thinking that DEMANDRED holds that view.
Look at the context.
"To think he might have been on the other side."
That is not foolish. He WAS on the other side. That is clearly Graendal reflecting on how easily Demandred could have been on the side of the Light instead of being one of the Chosen. It ties up with what the BWB and Mesaana has said before.
He was on the other side, but he was never the Dragon. He could never be, with LTT to take the role. That's why it's foolish.
In fact, it almost paraphrases both those sources exactly.
Graendal says Demandred is foolish to hold onto his grudge for so long. She does not say it is foolish to think he might have been the Dragon. In fact, she is actually stating HERSELF that he might have been Dragon.
Unless you believe she also says it is foolish to think he might have been on the side of the Light, which WAS the case and would have continued to be the case if things had turned out differently.
In summary, if you read the passage in context, Graendal clearly acknowledges that Demandred might well have been the Dragon if things had turned out differently.
Graendal says Demandred is foolish to hold onto his grudge for so long. She does not say it is foolish to think he might have been the Dragon. In fact, she is actually stating HERSELF that he might have been Dragon.
Unless you believe she also says it is foolish to think he might have been on the side of the Light, which WAS the case and would have continued to be the case if things had turned out differently.
In summary, if you read the passage in context, Graendal clearly acknowledges that Demandred might well have been the Dragon if things had turned out differently.
The way I read it, Graendal thinks it's foolish for Demandred to hold the grudge. Then in the next sentence, she explains what exactly that grudge was (that he thought he could have been the Dragon himself). She herself sees that it is foolish because he could never be that because of LTT. It makes sense within the context of the LTT/Demandred relationship. Demandred wanted to be everything LTT was; he was (and still is) obsessed with LTT.
To say that Demandred could have been the Dragon probably also argues that he is stronger than Moridin, which I don't think can be true.
Oh and to quote fragments, all you have to do is place the "< quote> or < /quote> tag (with the space removed) around the phrases you want to quote.
TGS Prologue - your thoughts (part 2) *spoilers*
- 16/09/2009 04:55:21 AM
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Where can i find it at? Can someone give me a link? *NM*
- 18/09/2009 02:21:10 AM
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mobipocket.com
- 18/09/2009 02:53:13 AM
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Thanks, It was interesting especially the last part of the prologue *NM*
- 20/09/2009 02:42:28 AM
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A pointless survey - take your guess at who wrote what of the Prologue
- 18/09/2009 01:30:24 PM
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Re: A pointless survey - take your guess at who wrote what of the Prologue
- 18/09/2009 07:08:43 PM
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The prologue gives us strong evidence that Graendal is weaker than Demi or Semi
- 18/09/2009 03:55:58 PM
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I'm a little surprised nobody is discussing this. I thought this would get more attention. *NM*
- 20/09/2009 09:17:57 PM
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Is it me or do the Forsaken seem more viscious?
- 18/09/2009 04:17:22 PM
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yep, leaner and meaner...except for mesaana-she's still twitchy after shadar haran *NM*
- 18/09/2009 05:09:29 PM
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Trollocs!
- 18/09/2009 05:35:12 PM
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Why not a gray man then?
- 18/09/2009 07:52:55 PM
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Because they wanted to destroy as much of the force as possible
- 19/09/2009 12:07:57 AM
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But there's no plausible deniability
- 19/09/2009 12:50:42 AM
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But even several grey men or slayer aren't going to get the deed done
- 19/09/2009 02:28:36 AM
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Who is Graendal going to wack?
- 18/09/2009 06:00:12 PM
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I think it could be Tam. *NM*
- 18/09/2009 06:05:12 PM
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Great idea.
- 18/09/2009 07:12:40 PM
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Its about time for Perrin to reunite with Rand he's got Faile back
- 18/09/2009 08:15:47 PM
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Re: Its about time for Perrin to reunite with Rand he's got Faile back
- 18/09/2009 10:41:12 PM
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Mesaana's statement gives us a big clue about Demandred's and Moridin's whereabouts
- 18/09/2009 09:11:49 PM
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My favorite quote: "Who will win? The child or the fool?" - Graendal
- 18/09/2009 09:48:55 PM
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but she didn't say 'the fool or the fool'
- 19/09/2009 02:07:20 PM
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- 19/09/2009 02:07:20 PM
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Yes, because Cannoli has long valued the opinions of the Forsaken...
- 20/09/2009 06:10:58 AM
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- 20/09/2009 06:10:58 AM
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Forsaken Chapter
- 18/09/2009 10:30:10 PM
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I agree that Graendal will die in this book.... her and A'rangar *NM*
- 19/09/2009 08:14:07 AM
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Re: Forsaken Chapter
- 19/09/2009 09:53:31 AM
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Wrong...
- 19/09/2009 01:41:25 PM
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
- 19/09/2009 09:22:38 PM
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Various comments
- 19/09/2009 05:38:21 PM
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The Dying Man
- 19/09/2009 06:48:09 PM
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After a reread I think I know who sent the Trollocs
- 19/09/2009 08:28:08 PM
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Another reason why Moridin is not Taim
- 19/09/2009 08:41:03 PM
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This isn't evidence.
- 19/09/2009 08:51:54 PM
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It isn't evidence, but it is another perspective to add to the table
- 19/09/2009 09:11:15 PM
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Why is Moridin and not Demandred marshalling the Dark Forces in the Blight?
- 19/09/2009 10:35:06 PM
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I think there are many issues here
- 19/09/2009 10:51:13 PM
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The Malign Influence of the Forsaken
- 19/09/2009 11:08:00 PM
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I have doubts about that degree of conversion
- 19/09/2009 11:17:44 PM
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Re: Why is Moridin and not Demandred marshalling the Dark Forces in the Blight?
- 20/09/2009 09:44:06 AM
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Did Demandred make the connection between Moridin's phantom hand-pain and Semirhage's firebolt?
- 20/09/2009 12:11:32 PM
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I don't think that Demandred will be a key player at the end with Rand
- 20/09/2009 01:00:58 PM
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Some sweeping statements there...
- 20/09/2009 01:21:46 PM
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Not at all
- 20/09/2009 03:34:59 PM
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A lot of twisting my words there, and direct contradictions of your own points...
- 20/09/2009 04:19:57 PM
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Not really
- 20/09/2009 05:12:42 PM
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I couldn't have summarized it better myself...
- 20/09/2009 05:25:56 PM
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But...
- 20/09/2009 06:01:33 PM
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Possible...
- 20/09/2009 06:08:21 PM
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So that's your argument now?
- 20/09/2009 07:35:52 PM
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- 20/09/2009 07:35:52 PM
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I think you took that the wrong way...
- 20/09/2009 08:53:28 PM
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Wow, then I think you're in for a surprise
- 20/09/2009 08:38:37 PM
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Just a general comment...
- 20/09/2009 09:13:51 PM
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Re: Just a general comment...
- 20/09/2009 09:59:51 PM
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I reject the cult of the "cool" villain.
- 20/09/2009 11:24:40 PM
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I don't really agree
- 21/09/2009 05:02:10 AM
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But these aren't criminals...
- 21/09/2009 05:47:40 AM
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