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Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength Tedtheman Send a noteboard - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM
While reading debates here about which female forsaken is stronger than the other... I always see statements like "Mesaana is among the weaker forsaken."

But think about Mesaana's strength in relative terms. We're comparing her to only a FEW very strong channelers that are stronger than her. The strength difference could even be marginal.

We know that the only very large margin in strength is between Lanfear and the next strongest female Forsaken. People here have forgotten that Lanfear is second to only Ishaemael/Rand in strength. She is out of the other female Forsakens' league.

Semirhage, Graendal, Mesaana, and maybe even Moghedien could all have very small margins of difference in their One Power strengths.

It could be very likely that Semirhage and Graendal are the same in OP strength, or so close as to be negligible (such as Talaan and Nynaeve).


Wasn't this all settled 7-8 years ago on Wotmania? At least I remember it being settled (mostly). I mean obviously every new character in the series engenders some murkiness when the system does not have absolute values assigned to it.

I was pretty sure BS answered this and said there is an RJ chart, I feel like that is a note that he will be allowed to release to those of us crazy to care about this.

I know this is the only thing I feel really passionately about knowing. I think I lurked on Wotmania for a decade and only really ever posted in that original thread.
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Underestimating Forsaken strength Nessarra - 11/12/2011 05:57:22 AM 1989 Views
Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Shannow - 11/12/2011 07:45:29 AM 889 Views
Re: Ah, my favourite topic makes a return... Nessarra - 11/12/2011 10:25:03 PM 884 Views
Yes, you are probably correct Sidious - 12/12/2011 06:26:07 AM 1015 Views
Re: and some of the information given to us is flawed Watcher - 12/12/2011 07:38:59 PM 820 Views
The real question is - What percentage of her full strength did Nynaeve achieve by Book 4? Shannow - 12/12/2011 08:31:30 PM 847 Views
I find that unlikely Sidious - 12/12/2011 09:28:07 PM 808 Views
Easy question for you: Based on the evidence, what percentage of her strength was Nynaeve at in tSR? Shannow - 13/12/2011 07:09:56 AM 861 Views
Well.... Sidious - 13/12/2011 01:12:48 PM 847 Views
Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 01:36:45 PM 852 Views
Re: Well there we have it Sidious - 13/12/2011 02:06:14 PM 888 Views
Re: Well there we have it Shannow - 13/12/2011 02:12:10 PM 827 Views
Alivia may not even be stronger than Nynaeve... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:14:06 AM 903 Views
That wouldn't surprise me actually *NM* Sidious - 14/12/2011 07:46:47 AM 455 Views
Where would you place Egwene though? fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 09:13:46 AM 808 Views
Re: Where would you place Egwene though? Sidious - 14/12/2011 12:53:49 PM 782 Views
Bonfire next to a candle indeed. Hehehe... Shannow - 14/12/2011 05:50:34 PM 958 Views
fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 06:56:40 PM 755 Views
The same "step" you refer to seperates Egwene from normal Aes Sedai according to RJ... Shannow - 14/12/2011 07:14:55 PM 780 Views
Yes! And...? fionwe1987 - 15/12/2011 02:53:37 AM 796 Views
Yes I would agree with that Sidious - 14/12/2011 08:24:35 PM 940 Views
Alivia with an angreal > > > Cyndane TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 08:50:41 PM 730 Views
No Sidious - 14/12/2011 09:10:34 PM 811 Views
That makes no sense. TyrReborn - 14/12/2011 09:13:48 PM 883 Views
Correct. Shannow - 14/12/2011 09:43:53 PM 816 Views
Re: Correct. Sidious - 15/12/2011 05:54:37 AM 811 Views
So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Shannow - 14/12/2011 10:01:45 PM 1254 Views
Re: So many instances of logical laziness in that post... Sidious - 15/12/2011 06:16:01 AM 752 Views
There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Shannow - 15/12/2011 07:03:01 AM 831 Views
Re: There's always room for error, and in general I agree with some of your placements... Sidious - 17/12/2011 10:25:47 AM 872 Views
Because a difference of a few % is negligible, and not even worth mentioning... Shannow - 17/12/2011 10:54:49 AM 741 Views
How could you possibly use Gateways... fionwe1987 - 17/12/2011 12:40:03 PM 762 Views
Repyling at bottom of thread for space reasons... *NM* Shannow - 17/12/2011 02:57:43 PM 424 Views
Only slight diffence I have is regarding general AS strength darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 04:45:49 PM 822 Views
I think it was just Aes Sedai hyperbole RugbyPlayingAshaman - 15/12/2011 09:51:00 PM 677 Views
And entirely based off your shared assumption. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2011 05:15:51 AM 880 Views
Actually that's a lot of logical assumption. *NM* LadyLorraine - 13/12/2011 01:28:00 PM 393 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:06:15 AM 681 Views
And darius_sedai - 30/12/2011 05:07:13 PM 783 Views
Yes Cannoli - 13/12/2011 04:16:40 PM 949 Views
Re: Yes RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 04:47:17 PM 851 Views
Nah. Beyond the realm of possibility. Sorry, Shannow - 13/12/2011 05:12:40 PM 903 Views
There are a number of comments from Q&As that shows that this is possible and more complex. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 08:23:49 PM 872 Views
None of which I disagree with, but a far cry from women being weaker just due to believing it... Shannow - 13/12/2011 08:39:40 PM 776 Views
But that is my point: it wouldn't be merely force of will. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/12/2011 09:40:17 PM 764 Views
What Rand is doing... fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:43:08 AM 880 Views
That would make sense given Min's vision RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/12/2011 04:37:56 PM 696 Views
Wait.. I DIDN'T write that! fionwe1987 - 14/12/2011 03:02:04 AM 776 Views
Reply to your question of - "Why use Logain gateway comparison as evidence:" Shannow - 17/12/2011 03:08:19 PM 876 Views
You're basically saying "correlation equals causation"... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2011 06:18:47 AM 817 Views
On gateways Sidious - 18/12/2011 07:17:09 AM 846 Views
Might assume that Elayne is stronger in the Power than Aviendha. echooff - 19/12/2011 02:40:46 PM 1047 Views
I suspect he knows that... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2011 05:53:00 PM 764 Views
Nope...some maths problems in your post. Shannow - 19/12/2011 07:41:29 PM 803 Views
But 64 square feet is not Elayne's maximum... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 02:46:50 AM 758 Views
But Shielding is also relative. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/12/2011 09:35:11 PM 2011 Views
Re: Underestimating Forsaken strength Tedtheman - 22/12/2011 05:24:53 PM 801 Views
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