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How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow Send a noteboard - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM


Another logical problem with the theory is that it manages more or less to explain that Rand can draw the TP from his connection to Moridin. That's all well and good, but it combines this with the fact Rand will use Callandor with two women. We don't even know if it's possible to form a circle using the TP (and personally I highly doubt it... the whole themes surrounding the Shadow is "every one for himself";), but let's say it is for the sake of it. What we know, though, is that a channeler must be placed on the verge of embracing the source to enter a circle. With which two women Rand could possibly do this using the TP? Which two women near Rand could put themselves in the proper evil state of mind to embrace the True Power? Moiraine, Nynaeve, Egwene, Alivia, Cadsuane? LOL! Rand trying to explain to Nynaeve that in order to defeat evil they must agree to fully embrace it and be in communion with Shai'tan himself, and let his essence run through them would make for a rich scene, one that would end with Nynaeve (or Moiraine, Egwene, Cadsuane... take you pick) kicking the hell out of Rand. The whole thematic structure of this doesn't work and contradicts Rand's epiphany. Rand had to become one with Creation and with humanity, which began by fully embracing his feelings for his loved ones and friends. The TP is the opposite, a utter rejection of all that, cold as ice hatred and nihilism.



I haven't followed the entire thread, but it occurs to me that one way for Rand to find two powerful women to link with while drawing the True Power, would be if the body swap theory between him and Moridin turns out to be true.

Then Rand will find himself in Moridin's body, with the cour'souvra in his possession, and thus have access to total control over the mindtrapped Cyndane and Moghedien - also the two women who are the most powerful in Tel Arhan Rhiod, as it happens.

He could then surrender completely while still being fully in control of them, through their mindtraps, and link to draw the True Power.

Just a thought. Not saying this is going to happen, but it merely answers the question of how Rand could find two submissive females to link with to draw on the True Power.
This message last edited by Shannow on 12/03/2012 at 06:05:32 PM
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What's so special about Callandor? - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2385 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1343 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1399 Views
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RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1328 Views
Hmm.... - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1260 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 1136 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 1186 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 1170 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 1126 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 694 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1329 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1335 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 1148 Views
Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 1151 Views
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Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 1015 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 1006 Views
I actually don't see it that way - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 1177 Views
depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1215 Views
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Re: depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 1100 Views
Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 962 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 983 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 993 Views
That's not correct. - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 993 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1282 Views
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Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1263 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 1017 Views
Agreed *NM* - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 524 Views
RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 962 Views
Exactly - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1313 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 957 Views
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My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 1153 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 989 Views
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Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 1031 Views
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Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 1103 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 1182 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 911 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 1115 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1266 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 1201 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 1023 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 1065 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 997 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 1030 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 986 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 1015 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 1190 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 1002 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 1142 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1218 Views
Re: No, I don't agree - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 1202 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 1091 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 1268 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 1009 Views
That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 1090 Views

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