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depends how you look at it Sidious Send a noteboard - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM
Padan Fain is a being that crawls on the surface of Creation, bound and defined by it. Padan Fain is as likely to be the next Dark One as Rand is liable to be the next Creator.


I see Shai'Tan as a force of corruption, not an "opposite" to the creator ... Which is how I see the power of Fain/Mordeth ... There is zero evidence that either can actually match the Creator ... In fact, the Creator sends an Avatar against the DO ... Which leads me to believe the Creator is 1. More powerful and 2. More of a neutral force than the source of all "Good" ... The Creator seems much more likely to care about saving it's creation than concepts such as "good" and "evil". If the Creator was a force for "Good" there would be NO evil in the world ... Which we know is not true even before the Bore was opened. There were Binders and people like Semirhage even before the Bore and the Collapse.


Some people think that the DO is the opposite of the Creator and would be just as powerful if he managed to lock the Creator away. The Creator just happened to win the last arm-wrestling match.

Other people think that he sends his avatar because he's so powerful that he doesn't even need to do it himself. Of course, there's another theory that he gives Rand so much power that he is basically there by proxy. Rand does after all make whole farms fertile just by walking past.

I don't see why Padan Fain couldn't become some sort of god. It's hardly new to mythology. The power of Shadar Logoth was so immense that the whole White Tower was said to not be able to contest it, which was pretty much proven by the Cleansing. It's possible that the Dark One is like Morgoth from LOTR, and that Fain could become another form of great evil like Ungoliant.
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What's so special about Callandor? Sidious - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2489 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it beetnemesis - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1444 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1523 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1545 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1404 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate DomA - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1464 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1433 Views
Hmm.... Sidious - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1361 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall darius_sedai - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 1235 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 1292 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 1228 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 1287 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 1251 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* mogi67 - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 764 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1445 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1469 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Fanatic-Templar - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 1252 Views
Have to agree with you on this darius_sedai - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 1247 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this DomA - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 1252 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power darius_sedai - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 1126 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 1095 Views
I actually don't see it that way darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 1286 Views
depends how you look at it Sidious - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1329 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 1083 Views
Re: depends how you look at it DomA - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 1219 Views
Odds are you are correct darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 1066 Views
Re: depends how you look at it Gartax - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 1106 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 1088 Views
That's not correct. Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 1093 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1382 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 1027 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1395 Views
You explantion is DomA - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 1138 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 598 Views
RJ Quote: Fanatic-Templar - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 1066 Views
Exactly DomA - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1423 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction darius_sedai - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 1060 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 1114 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing darius_sedai - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 1253 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 1108 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 1060 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 1199 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction Gartax - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 1152 Views
Yep . Fanatic-Templar - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 1063 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues Sidious - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 1209 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. LadyLorraine - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 1296 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. Fanatic-Templar - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 1025 Views
Sounds like the One Ring guttering flame - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 1224 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben DomA - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1392 Views
No, I don't agree Sidious - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 1296 Views
That makes no sense... fionwe1987 - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 1132 Views
Re: That makes no sense... rosco12 - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 1208 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 1128 Views
He makes a good point though. Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 1128 Views
Yes, but... fionwe1987 - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 1107 Views
Re: Yes, but... Fanatic-Templar - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 1131 Views
I found a couple of quote rosco12 - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 1292 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. Fanatic-Templar - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 1105 Views
Re: That makes no sense... Sidious - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 1244 Views
Re: That makes no sense... DomA - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1315 Views
Re: No, I don't agree DomA - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 1309 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... Shannow - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 1202 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims JasonD - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 1396 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims MikeyMikeyMikey - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 1108 Views
That's what I meant JasonD - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 1206 Views
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