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Martin Reznick
How was the Dark One created, i.e. is he a fallen angel, an inherent part of the universe, etc.?

Robert Jordan
I envision the Dark One as being the dark counterpart, the dark balance if you will, to the Creator...carrying on the theme, the ying yang, light dark, necessity of balance theme that has run through the books. It's somewhat Manichean i know, but I think it works.


I never understood why people keep arguing that Shai'tan isn't the equal of the Creator, when Jordan made it very unambiguous that they are each other's counterpart much like saidin and saidar are counterparts.

It even seems obvious to me that since the Pattern is Creation/reality and is woven of saidin and saidar, than it means the Pattern itself the True Source too, and that the True Source is the essence of the Creator itself, just like the True Power is Shai'tan's own essence/energy. And it sounds obvious that the DO's "prison" is simply enough the boundary of the the Pattern.

This all seems to be about life and death in the end. In Creation, true death doesn't exist, with the DO real life doesn't exist. In Creation, death is merely a temporary stage/state before rebirth, in an eternal cycle. It sounds likely within Creation there are no means to destroy a soul. They are eternal, the Creator can't give the final death. With Shai'tan, it's true life that doesn't exist. So far, all we've seen from him is creature given life in Creation and corrupted by the TP, like Shadowspawn, like Shaidar Haran and so on. Shai'tan winning would put an end to Life (at least Moridin certainly believes so).
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What's so special about Callandor? - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2167 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1104 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1175 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1234 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1071 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1099 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1126 Views
Hmm.... - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1050 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 931 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 982 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 874 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 966 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 901 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 575 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1083 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1087 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 957 Views
Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 938 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 912 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 816 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 801 Views
I actually don't see it that way - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 971 Views
depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1020 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 750 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 884 Views
Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 745 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 709 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 776 Views
That's not correct. - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 779 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1049 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 702 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1060 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 808 Views
Agreed *NM* - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 405 Views
RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 769 Views
Exactly - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1070 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 759 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 779 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 925 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 771 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 755 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 863 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 803 Views
Yep . - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 778 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 893 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 877 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 687 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 886 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1033 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 985 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 821 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 822 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 789 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 818 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 765 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 797 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 977 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 806 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 935 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1009 Views
Re: No, I don't agree - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 982 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 876 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 982 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 802 Views
That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 918 Views

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