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Martin Reznick
How was the Dark One created, i.e. is he a fallen angel, an inherent part of the universe, etc.?

Robert Jordan
I envision the Dark One as being the dark counterpart, the dark balance if you will, to the Creator...carrying on the theme, the ying yang, light dark, necessity of balance theme that has run through the books. It's somewhat Manichean i know, but I think it works.


I never understood why people keep arguing that Shai'tan isn't the equal of the Creator, when Jordan made it very unambiguous that they are each other's counterpart much like saidin and saidar are counterparts.

It even seems obvious to me that since the Pattern is Creation/reality and is woven of saidin and saidar, than it means the Pattern itself the True Source too, and that the True Source is the essence of the Creator itself, just like the True Power is Shai'tan's own essence/energy. And it sounds obvious that the DO's "prison" is simply enough the boundary of the the Pattern.

This all seems to be about life and death in the end. In Creation, true death doesn't exist, with the DO real life doesn't exist. In Creation, death is merely a temporary stage/state before rebirth, in an eternal cycle. It sounds likely within Creation there are no means to destroy a soul. They are eternal, the Creator can't give the final death. With Shai'tan, it's true life that doesn't exist. So far, all we've seen from him is creature given life in Creation and corrupted by the TP, like Shadowspawn, like Shaidar Haran and so on. Shai'tan winning would put an end to Life (at least Moridin certainly believes so).
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What's so special about Callandor? - 06/03/2012 07:31:40 PM 2360 Views
Honestly, I'm more curious about the "Dragon-only" barrier that surrounded it - 06/03/2012 09:16:15 PM 1308 Views
I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 06/03/2012 09:56:02 PM 1367 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 04:11:21 AM 1405 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 10:31:39 AM 1259 Views
Re: I also think the flaw might be deliberate - 07/03/2012 10:55:56 PM 1296 Views
RJ addressed this ... I had a similar thought several years back and this quote was floated my way - 07/03/2012 04:18:01 AM 1291 Views
Hmm.... - 07/03/2012 01:50:07 PM 1231 Views
Very similar to what you are getting at as I recall - 07/03/2012 02:00:56 PM 1107 Views
Using the True Power to win Tarmon Gai'don goes against every moral in the series. - 07/03/2012 07:00:02 AM 1153 Views
actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 10:36:03 AM 1071 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:02:48 PM 1146 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 06:18:16 PM 1099 Views
If anything the Dark One WANTS Lews Therin to use the TP *NM* - 07/03/2012 09:43:20 PM 679 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 07/03/2012 11:38:56 PM 1295 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 11:52:23 AM 1309 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 10/03/2012 06:40:00 PM 1126 Views
Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 01:17:06 AM 1122 Views
Re: Have to agree with you on this - 12/03/2012 02:36:13 PM 1096 Views
Fain has become so much more than human. We have no real sense of the limits of his power - 18/03/2012 11:21:54 PM 994 Views
Shai'tan is the opposite half of the Creator. - 19/03/2012 01:44:31 AM 980 Views
I actually don't see it that way - 19/03/2012 03:37:26 AM 1147 Views
depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 10:41:28 AM 1181 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 01:07:21 PM 935 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 19/03/2012 08:12:17 PM 1067 Views
Odds are you are correct - 19/03/2012 11:45:03 PM 923 Views
Re: depends how you look at it - 20/03/2012 12:51:48 PM 942 Views
The DO did not not destroy Mashadar alone - 19/03/2012 11:42:21 PM 965 Views
That's not correct. - 20/03/2012 01:55:05 AM 964 Views
Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 01:11:17 PM 1253 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:27:33 PM 896 Views
Re: Saidin and the True Power both touched Mashadar - 20/03/2012 04:57:08 PM 1233 Views
You explantion is - 20/03/2012 06:17:52 PM 988 Views
Agreed *NM* - 19/03/2012 11:40:40 PM 508 Views
RJ Quote: - 19/03/2012 06:52:12 PM 932 Views
Exactly - 19/03/2012 08:54:22 PM 1285 Views
Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 19/03/2012 11:48:20 PM 928 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 01:06:20 PM 967 Views
My point with imagination is simply that destruction only does 1 thing - 20/03/2012 01:14:55 PM 1122 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:35:17 PM 951 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 04:59:13 PM 928 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 20/03/2012 08:57:35 PM 1054 Views
Re: Personally I view it more as Creation v. Destruction - 21/03/2012 01:09:13 PM 999 Views
Yep . - 21/03/2012 04:51:15 PM 930 Views
Re: actually self-sacrifice is one of the Dragon's principle virtues - 14/03/2012 12:15:36 PM 1079 Views
except the TP is not just a tool. - 14/03/2012 01:41:17 PM 1145 Views
No, the Choedan Kal was a tool. - 14/03/2012 05:20:53 PM 876 Views
Sounds like the One Ring - 04/05/2012 03:55:01 PM 1082 Views
I totally agree with you on both issues Ben - 07/03/2012 11:44:42 PM 1233 Views
No, I don't agree - 10/03/2012 12:11:37 PM 1169 Views
That makes no sense... - 10/03/2012 09:21:19 PM 994 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 12:25:53 AM 1036 Views
Name an existing well that has that much power, though. - 11/03/2012 01:11:40 AM 964 Views
He makes a good point though. - 11/03/2012 05:49:59 AM 1009 Views
Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:17:25 AM 957 Views
Re: Yes, but... - 11/03/2012 06:47:43 PM 975 Views
I found a couple of quote - 12/03/2012 12:00:36 AM 1152 Views
Yeah, I looked through Terez' quote database. - 12/03/2012 12:46:38 AM 975 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 11/03/2012 08:54:11 AM 1115 Views
Re: That makes no sense... - 12/03/2012 02:15:19 PM 1192 Views
Re: No, I don't agree - 12/03/2012 01:49:10 PM 1173 Views
How the Three can become One using the True Power...mindtraps of Moggy and Cyndane... - 12/03/2012 06:04:22 PM 1060 Views
Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 06:43:45 AM 1236 Views
Re: Whether it happens or not, it might explain the choice of mind trap victims - 13/03/2012 05:19:21 PM 985 Views
That's what I meant - 18/03/2012 11:13:19 PM 1059 Views

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