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But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM
Before Rand revealed the history of the Aiel, there were exactly zero Aiel followers of the Way of the Leaf. Now there is endemic depression among the Aiel, some of whom are leaving to join the Tuatha'an.

Even if this weren't the case, there is no way you can start with zero and end up with a remnant. A remnant is by definition a persistent fraction of a whole, but you cannot divide zero, you cannot have something persist that doesn't already exist.


And technically the Tuath'an are still Aiel and Followers. There are many ways to interpret this statement.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2167 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1544 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1176 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1143 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1147 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1079 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1167 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1407 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 553 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1214 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1509 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1117 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1107 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1051 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1235 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1111 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1386 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1082 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 998 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 938 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1049 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1148 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1089 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1181 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1170 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1180 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 963 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 863 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1076 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 955 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1119 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 981 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 995 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1177 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 935 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 964 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1027 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1041 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1001 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 966 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1131 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1030 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1085 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1113 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 963 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1047 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 996 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1203 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 934 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 971 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 914 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1076 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 868 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1158 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1193 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1082 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 530 Views
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