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The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM
They abandoned their duties and are largely formed from wetland runaways. They are not Aiel philosophically nor genetically.

As for there still being Jenn at the time of the prophecy, I'd say that's completely irrelevant. If you disagree, you must explain how Rand is supposed to save something that has already died out. Will he master time travel?
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2153 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1529 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1166 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1132 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1133 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1059 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1148 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1395 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 549 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1200 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1491 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1111 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1097 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1038 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1212 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1085 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1374 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1068 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 986 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 928 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1025 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1130 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1076 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1165 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1160 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1166 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 949 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 850 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1065 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 943 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1100 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 972 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 978 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1162 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 931 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 955 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1011 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1027 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 987 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 950 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1118 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1016 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1074 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1100 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 950 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1031 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 985 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1187 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 911 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 954 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 903 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1062 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 854 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1147 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1179 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1074 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 527 Views
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