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Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM
There are legends that they accept outsiders, but by all evidence we have seen they are clan based and family oriented. In fact they have strong traditions that clearly get passed down through generations. Certainly they have a larger degree out "outside blood" than the Aiel of the waste, but that is not evidence that more than a handful of the Tuatha'an are runaways from other societies ... In fact given the general disdain the vast majority of the world has shown the Tuatha'an it seems highly unlikely that anyone would runaway to join them. Much like the Romani/Gypsy people the Tuatha'an are accused of just about anything that goes amiss when they pass through, including young people going missing.


Seen a lot of red-haired Tuatha'an lately? 'Cause apparently anybody who sees Rand thinks "Aiel" or possibly "royal family of Andor" but nobody thinks "Tinker".

I also see no evidence that there is no sense of servitude within thier community either. In every instance we have seen them they have shown their willingness to serve those around them and their own community. The scene in the TR when they strapped children to their backs is evidence to me that the Tuatha'an have a deeply ingrained sense of service to community. In addition their dedication to finding the Song shows that they have a dedicated task to which they claim service.


Neither of those represent a life of servitude. The first just means they aren't total arseholes and are willing to help out as they can the people who took them in when the shadowspawn armies came after them. The latter means they're dedicated to a cause. Might as well say the Cairhienin nobility live a life of servitude because they're dedicated to the task of acquiring more power and influence.

With that said, you are correct that the Tuatha'an did abandon their duty. But no more so than the Aiel of the Waste did... Perhaps less so as they seemingly adopted a new duty rather than following one task from one Aes Sedai. The Aiel of the waste abandoned the very core of what it meant to be Aiel by abandoning the Way.


Again, you have not provided evidence that being an Aiel is defined by following the Way of the Leaf. But let us accept that for the sake of getting to a point. Then you do accept that the Prophecy of Rhuidean states that He Who Comes With The Dawn will destroy "those who follow the Way of the Leaf" except for a remnant of a remnant whom he shall save?

How do you think Rand will destroy those who follow the Way of the Leaf? Rand has not been seen to be involved with followers of the Way of the Leaf at all, that has mostly fallen in Perrin's area.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2109 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1477 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1127 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1081 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1082 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1010 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1096 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1331 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 524 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1156 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1396 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1066 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1063 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 997 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1160 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1030 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1315 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1013 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 943 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 886 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 993 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1086 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1024 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1119 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1110 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1119 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 896 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 810 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1024 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 901 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1053 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 929 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 934 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1118 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 893 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 909 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 962 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 979 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 933 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 910 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1072 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 970 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1029 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1052 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 895 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 993 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 939 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1136 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 866 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 909 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 866 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1020 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 810 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1110 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1131 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1030 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 503 Views
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