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Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 Send a noteboard - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM

Again, you have not provided evidence that being an Aiel is defined by following the Way of the Leaf. But let us accept that for the sake of getting to a point. Then you do accept that the Prophecy of Rhuidean states that He Who Comes With The Dawn will destroy "those who follow the Way of the Leaf" except for a remnant of a remnant whom he shall save?

How do you think Rand will destroy those who follow the Way of the Leaf? Rand has not been seen to be involved with followers of the Way of the Leaf at all, that has mostly fallen in Perrin's area.


While I'll rather not get involve in your conversation. I thought I should mention that you(Fanatic Templar) are quoting the prophecy wrongly. The prophecy is:
"He shall spill out the blood of those who call themselves Aiel as water on sand, and he shall break them as dried twigs, yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and they shall live."

So obviously those who follow the way of the leaf are not part of that prophecy.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2073 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1447 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1103 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1055 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1060 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 972 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1071 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1290 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 514 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1124 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1367 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1041 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1033 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 977 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1132 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1008 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1276 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 965 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 915 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 863 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 963 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1048 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 987 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1090 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1071 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1088 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 863 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 794 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1002 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 867 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1018 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 893 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 914 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1087 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 867 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 878 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 941 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 948 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 904 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 877 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1044 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 937 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1000 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1025 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 869 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 977 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 913 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1095 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 834 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 878 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 848 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 997 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 783 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1073 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1106 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 989 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 491 Views
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