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You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM
And then every time I've asked you to do so, you've redefined the remnant of a remnant instead. When I try to explain that you're redefining the remnant of a remnant instead of the Aiel, you insist that you're redefining the Aiel.

In fact I said the opposite. There are people like the Tuatha'an that are inclusive of the original Aiel population and those who ran away from Hold and Clan that have moved around to a variety of places. These people are not included in Aviendha's vision and could very well be who the remnant is in reference. You cannot make a blanket statement that Aviendha's vision is untrue because the remnant doesn't survive when we have no way of knowing what happened to a portion of the Aiel population.


I didn't say the REMNANT didn't survive, I've said that THE REST OF THE AIEL DO.

Take ten apples. These are the Aiel.

Take one out of those ten apples. This is the remnant of a remnant, who will be saved and who will live.

Nine apples remain. These are the Aiel who are unsaved and who will not live.

In Aviendha's vision, those nine apples show up fine, in complete defiance of the prophecy.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2007 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1379 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1032 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 984 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 997 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 908 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 996 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1198 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 478 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1043 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1278 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 975 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 950 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 898 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1052 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 943 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1193 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 894 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 860 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 797 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 897 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 965 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 902 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1014 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 982 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1008 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 797 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 727 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 937 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 790 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 936 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 827 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 844 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1026 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 794 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 814 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 889 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 869 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 829 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 808 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 977 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 860 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 926 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 950 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 806 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 915 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 805 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1013 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 758 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 799 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 797 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 930 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 712 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 984 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1027 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 923 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 460 Views
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