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That's exactly it darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM
... that if people die thousands of years after Rand's time, because of decisions made by people who lived long after his death, it's Rand's fault? Do you think the remnant of a remnant will live eternally then?


Honestly. Descendants happen when your people survive.

I'm referring to the possibility that the Remnant are a deliberately chosen group of people (as in SAVED). What happens to those who do not choose to follow the Dragon's Peace looks to be extinction. Their death is not the fault of the Dragon. It looks to be the fault of their choice to continue to deny their heritage as followers of The Way. Just as these people die in war the remnant and their descendants will live and thrive assuming they accept the Peace and stand aside from the war. This is not a difficult concept to understand.

But just in case, let's recap. Prophesy says the Aiel will be broken and destroyed EXCEPT for the remnant Rand will save. Aviendha's vision showed a large group of Aiel dying out due to fighting a war they could not win. This does not go against the Prophesy, as long as there are a remnant of the Aiel who do not participate in the war. If that remnant was saved by Rand (presumably because the chose to go back to The Way) then we have a viable reason Aviendha's vision is not false.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2111 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1477 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1127 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1081 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1082 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1012 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1096 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1331 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 524 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1156 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1397 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1067 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1063 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 997 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1160 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1030 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1315 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1013 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 944 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 886 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 993 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1086 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1024 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1119 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1110 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1119 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 896 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 811 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1025 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 901 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1056 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 930 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 934 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1118 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 894 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 909 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 962 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 979 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 933 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 910 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1072 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 972 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1030 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1052 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 896 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 995 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 939 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1137 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 866 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 910 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 866 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1021 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 810 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1110 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1131 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1030 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 503 Views
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