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Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai Send a noteboard - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM
If you choose to define "the Aiel" in a way other than the accepted use of the term as referring to the tribal people from the Aiel Waste who share a similar culture and history, then you may attempt to do so, but it needs to be able to fulfill those two end results. For example, it must be a group of people preexisting at the time of Rand's actions as the Dragon Reborn, elsewise there is no remnant to save nor any portion to destroy, as it is impossible to divide by zero, nor to save people who don't exist, nor to destroy people who don't exist.

So for the sake of clarity, please answer these two questions:

1: Do you agree that the Rhuidean Prophecy states that He Who Comes With The Dawn will destroy "the Aiel" except for a remnant of a remnant whom he shall save?


Yes this is what was stated...

2: How do you define "the Aiel"?


The Aiel followed the way of the leaf, as the tinkers. But, they were charged with the task by the Aes Sedai to guard the Angreal, sa'angreal and the ter'angreal until the Aes Sedai could come for them. The only thing the tinkers did wrong was to abandon the angreal, sa'angreal and the ter'angreal. That was the task they were set to do, not what defined them. The Tuatha'an ARE Aiel. They just failed the Aes Sedai differently than the other Aiel. The Jenn were the only ones left that were "True Dedicated"

Rand broke the Aiel by announcing the truth of who they had been and what they had become.
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Aviendha, the columns, and the Seanchan DoraSedai - 03/04/2012 04:29:31 PM 2169 Views
The entire point, I believe, is to give Avienda the opportunity to change that future LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:13:48 PM 1544 Views
As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. Fanatic-Templar - 03/04/2012 07:30:52 PM 1177 Views
Depends on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 04:11:11 AM 1145 Views
There are more than there were before. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 07:03:27 AM 1147 Views
But when the prophesy was made there many followers darius_sedai - 04/04/2012 10:10:54 AM 1079 Views
The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 04/04/2012 06:28:47 PM 1167 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 01:41:23 AM 1407 Views
Well that more than covers it *NM* darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 04:43:53 AM 554 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 07:39:04 AM 1216 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:14:37 PM 1511 Views
For the record I agree that the visions are not true either darius_sedai - 05/04/2012 02:25:47 PM 1119 Views
Re: For the record I agree that the visions are not true either DomA - 05/04/2012 11:36:53 PM 1107 Views
Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. Fanatic-Templar - 05/04/2012 06:24:56 PM 1053 Views
Re: Yes, I was thinking of the Aiel's suicidal traditions as well. DomA - 06/04/2012 12:20:31 AM 1235 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:51:00 PM 1113 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:38:24 PM 1386 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 06:27:27 AM 1085 Views
Re: The Tuatha'an are not Aiel. darius_sedai - 07/04/2012 07:23:03 PM 1000 Views
So what you're saying... Fanatic-Templar - 07/04/2012 10:07:59 PM 938 Views
What I am saying is that it's not a "pure bloodline" that makes one an Aiel darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 12:16:10 AM 1050 Views
I never said it was. Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 12:43:26 AM 1149 Views
Actually you did In your above post you speak of the Tinkers as not Aiel because they have been darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 06:09:01 AM 1091 Views
No... Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 07:12:22 AM 1183 Views
You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 05:16:54 PM 1172 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc Fanatic-Templar - 08/04/2012 06:43:27 PM 1181 Views
Re: You have no evidence that the Tuath'an are mostly comprised of runaways etc rosco12 - 08/04/2012 07:52:10 PM 965 Views
Thanks for that. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:38:25 AM 863 Views
Red hair is double recessive ... Doesn't take much to eliminate it from the gene pool. There could darius_sedai - 08/04/2012 11:22:36 PM 1076 Views
You are consistently making the same mistake. Fanatic-Templar - 09/04/2012 02:45:46 AM 956 Views
They are the same thing. The remnant of a remnant are Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:04:55 AM 1119 Views
No. They are not. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 05:42:29 AM 981 Views
Never said the remnant of the remnant was the whole of the Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 05:45:47 PM 997 Views
You said that redefining the Aiel would allow Aviendha's vision to be possible. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 06:53:51 PM 1179 Views
No , I said there were many ways to interpret the statement based on how one defines Aiel darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:36:11 PM 937 Views
All of which is entirely irrelevant. Fanatic-Templar - 10/04/2012 07:38:29 PM 965 Views
Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant darius_sedai - 10/04/2012 07:47:04 PM 1029 Views
Re: Actually it states he will save a remnant of a remnant Fanatic-Templar - 11/04/2012 01:40:36 AM 1043 Views
That is what I just said darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 01:41:56 AM 1001 Views
What is important about that? Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 04:35:55 AM 968 Views
The importance is that the prophesy says that Rand darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 06:06:31 PM 1134 Views
So what you're saying is... Fanatic-Templar - 14/04/2012 09:45:36 PM 1032 Views
That's exactly it darius_sedai - 14/04/2012 11:21:25 PM 1087 Views
Good. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 02:01:14 AM 1115 Views
He sets it in motion, thus his actions lead to it darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 02:55:13 PM 964 Views
Yes, but in that case, he is responsible for everything, ever. Fanatic-Templar - 15/04/2012 05:29:31 PM 1049 Views
We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing darius_sedai - 15/04/2012 07:21:29 PM 997 Views
Re: We are interpreting Prophesy here ... Direct v. Indirect actions are what we are discussing DomA - 17/04/2012 04:18:32 AM 1204 Views
Depends on how you look at the Prophesy darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:45:23 PM 934 Views
Of course, but the point of my example was... Fanatic-Templar - 17/04/2012 06:08:09 PM 971 Views
Where are you getting this happens over thousands of years? darius_sedai - 18/04/2012 01:47:42 PM 917 Views
Because that was the important part of that post. Fanatic-Templar - 18/04/2012 05:28:10 PM 1077 Views
Don't know when this became about winning darius_sedai - 19/04/2012 02:08:16 AM 868 Views
Re: I never said it was. DoraSedai - 18/04/2012 12:37:23 AM 1159 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DomA - 04/04/2012 07:16:13 AM 1193 Views
Re: As far as I understand it, that future is impossible anyway. DoraSedai - 06/04/2012 10:33:00 PM 1084 Views
Thank you for that analysis. *NM* JasonD - 17/04/2012 12:36:08 AM 531 Views
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