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Re: This certainly makes a mockery of a lot that us 20-year long readers of Wot used to hold dear... Sidious Send a noteboard - 23/04/2012 02:39:30 PM
I just find that the custodians of RJ's legacy don't approach it with the required respect for the detail that he spent so much painstaking effort on.

I share Sidous's unease with the casual disregard he displays to something like channeler strength, the identificaiton of individual angreal etc.

If he isn't even sure which angreal is being used by a central character, then there is no chance that he knows the exact multiplication ability of ANY specific angreal in the books.

RJ was able to say that Elayne's woman wrapped in hair angreal almost doubled her strength, whereas the turtle angreal would allow Aviendha to channel twice as much as Nynaeve, for example.

I quote this example from memory, as I haven't read the books for some time and I may be off with some of the specific angreal strengths.

But the point is, in order to do that, RJ would have known how much stronger Nynaeve is than Aviendha - in absolute terms - and also by how much each angreal multiplied a users strength.

Sanderson doesn't seem to have a clue about either of these issues. Heck, he didn't even seem to be aware that some of the key channelers might still not be at their full potential.

Where RJ would have known how far both Aviendha and Nynaeve were from their respective full potentials at the time when the angreal comparison to Nynaeve's strength was made in Crown of Swords, and factored this into his description of the amount of saidar that Aviendha could draw through the angreal, these subtleties apparently would go totally over Sandersons' head.

Very, very disappointing, is all that I can say.


It's important that we don't get into any OP debates about anything he says. Under other circumstances we might have debated the nature of the angreal Moiraine possesses, or perhaps the strength of the main characters.

He's completely unreliable as a source of WoT knowledge, and this is the hundredth time. Unfortunately for us, the ignorance surrounds the OP mostly. I'm a fan of "I don't know" rather than "Nynaeve is definitely stronger than Semirhage" and it turns out later it was all a giant blunder.

Perhaps I am too harsh on him, as DomA suggests, but RJ did set a high standard. Then again, I became a fan of a fantastic author who created a magical system of extreme precision... not binky the clown who managed to get hold of the notes!
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