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Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" Datakim Send a noteboard - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM
Strikes me that had Aran'gar effectively compelled Egwene she would not have gotten out of trouble and been given a new assignment. Instead she had to spend months sleeping next to Egwene simply to mess with her Dreaming ability ... If Aran'gar had more skill with Compulsion she would have done the job and moved on ... An effectively Compelled Amyrlin would have been a powerful tool for the Shadow.


When was Aran'gar punished? Forgive me but I cannot recall right now where it fits in the timeline? Did it happen before or after Aran'gar was exposed by that visiting Asha'man and had to flee?

As for using compulsion, we learned in TGS (and from Sammael in LoC) that blatant compulsion that totally rewrites the personality of the victim leaves clear signs that others can see. Not to mention that Nynave has already demonstrated that a sufficiently skilled healer can detect compulsion. If Egwene suddenly started acting strangely, skilled yellow ajah healers would certainly have examined her and Aran'gar would have been exposed.

So if there is compulsion, it would have to be very subtle work, working with Egwenes mind to enhance some pre-existing aspects and weakening others. Even that might be usefull to the shadow though. A subtle compulsion to strenghten Egwenes fear and distrust of the Dragon Reborn could be the difference between success and failure in the meeting at Fields of Merrilor.

I would also presume that compulsion of that sort (subtle and carefull) is harder to fight off rather than blatant compulsion (such as Moghedien erasing memories from Nynaeve). I don't think any of the sisters Verin compelled ever broke free?
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Egwene under compulsion - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 1889 Views
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To add to that - 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM 1014 Views
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I think you are misunderstanding what I meant - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 886 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1048 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 804 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1049 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 764 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 900 Views
Fair point on Ishamael - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 924 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 931 Views
You are over simplifying it I think - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 956 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 882 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 866 Views
It happened off screen - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 851 Views
Re: It happened off screen - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 839 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 1171 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 912 Views
The Headaches - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 899 Views
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Re: Egwene under compulsion - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 888 Views
Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 862 Views
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Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 779 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 826 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 854 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 851 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 900 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 772 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 06:00:35 PM 915 Views
Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 751 Views

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