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Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM
Egwene learned compulsion from Moghedien and how to counter it. This being Egwene, she either pulled out from Moghedien that there were subtler forms of compulsion, or figured it out herself. We know Elayne and Nynaeve did:

Some of what the woman knew was just too repulsive. Compulsion, for instance, bending people's will, and a way to implant instructions so the recipient would not even remember the orders when he carried them out. Worse things. Too repulsive, and maybe too dangerous to trust anyone with. Nynaeve said they had to learn

them in order to learn how to counter them, but Elayne did not want to.

Its highly unlikely that Egwene wouldn't get suspicious if she woke one day to find herself more mistrustful of Rand, or the Asha'man. Either way, we've seen her express sentiments contrary to both these, so its not like such a compulsion is even likely to exist. And nor would Aran'gar have been punished if she had succeeded in something like this.




Didn't Nynaeve have to delve in order to find traces of compulsion and then remove it? Can an individual delve themselves?

We have seen one individual detect and remove compulsion from another, we have never seen an individual detect and remove compulsion from themselves.

Aran'gar was able to remain close to Egwene for an extended period of time. There was a lot of time to experiment and tweak any compulsion. Done slowly over a long period of time could have made it very difficult for Egwene or anyone around Egwene to notice any change in attitude, especially if the change in attitude reflected what most AS already felt.





You don't need to be a doctor to see when someone has a cold. Egwene is far to high profile to risk someone around her being compelled ... Only a master at the "craft" would have been able to pull it off with so many Channelers around her. Be'lal, Rahvin and Sammael all clearly compelled people to achieve rapid status ... But none of them had to worry much about th AS catching on... And even still there were plenty of people (Darlin in Tear, Lini in Andor and be of the council of Nine in Illian) who noticed the personality difference in those compelled.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Egwene under compulsion Knightscape - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 2027 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Sidious - 17/05/2012 08:27:50 AM 1345 Views
To add to that darius_sedai - 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM 1145 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 18/05/2012 06:04:07 AM 1162 Views
Re: To add to that Sidious - 18/05/2012 08:58:23 AM 1046 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 19/05/2012 04:00:49 AM 1021 Views
Re: To add to that Evil_Monkey - 19/05/2012 11:04:14 AM 955 Views
Re: To add to that Knightscape - 20/05/2012 05:38:31 AM 982 Views
I think you are misunderstanding what I meant darius_sedai - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 1026 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Datakim - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1186 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" darius_sedai - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 926 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" DomA - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1188 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. darius_sedai - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 905 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. Datakim - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 1032 Views
Fair point on Ishamael darius_sedai - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 1082 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 1077 Views
You are over simplifying it I think darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 1095 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" Datakim - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 1013 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... Voscaia Sedai - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 1014 Views
It happened off screen darius_sedai - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 994 Views
Re: It happened off screen Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 989 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion DomA - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 1314 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 1051 Views
The Headaches Knightscape - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 1027 Views
I always thought the headaches were just something Aran'gar did to get close to Egwene darius_sedai - 19/05/2012 04:10:32 PM 998 Views
Re: The Headaches DomA - 19/05/2012 05:12:26 PM 1100 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion Datakim - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 1036 Views
Like I said before... fionwe1987 - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 996 Views
Re: Like I said before... Knightscape - 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM 906 Views
Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 931 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 963 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary darius_sedai - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 1004 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 986 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary DomA - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 1049 Views
Re: Like I said before... Datakim - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 909 Views
Re: Like I said before... fionwe1987 - 21/05/2012 06:00:35 PM 1058 Views
Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. Joel - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 933 Views
Why bother? She's Egwene, and served the Shadow's end of her own free will Cannoli - 21/05/2012 11:13:26 PM 1192 Views
Re: Why bother? She's Egwene, and served the Shadow's end of her own free will Sidious - 22/05/2012 08:22:46 AM 942 Views
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