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Re: Like I said before... Datakim Send a noteboard - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM
Egwene learned compulsion from Moghedien and how to counter it. This being Egwene, she either pulled out from Moghedien that there were subtler forms of compulsion, or figured it out herself. We know Elayne and Nynaeve did:


Knowing the compulsion weave and how it works is no protection against it in itself. Graendal was able to place both Moghedian and Cyndane in compulsion when they visited her. Add to this the fact that Halima would have been channeling saidin, and Egwene could have been compelled right there in the camp while she was asleep and woken up with no idea that she now had saidin compulsion in her brain.


Its highly unlikely that Egwene wouldn't get suspicious if she woke one day to find herself more mistrustful of Rand, or the Asha'man. Either way, we've seen her express sentiments contrary to both these, so its not like such a compulsion is even likely to exist. And nor would Aran'gar have been punished if she had succeeded in something like this.


Egwene is already distrustfull of Rand. For a person to suddenly notice that she is just a little bit more distrustfull today than she was yesterday, would require a level of self-reflection that I don't believe Egwene (or anyone else for that matter) has. Halima would have had plenty of time to keep any compulsion small and subtle and adding to it slowly over time and keeping it undetectable that way.

Not to mention the fact that it would be simple enough to add another subtle compulsion that would make Egwene ignore the first one. That might even be supported by the fact that not once did Egwene even suspect Halima of anything despite the fact that she was the only one who could rid her of her headaches.

And was Aran'gar seriously punished anyway? Compared to what happened to Moghedien(Mindtrapped and horribly tortured) or Semirhage (Abandoned by Moridin and then sacrificed by the DO), it seems Aran'gar was not punished all that severely. Maybe her punishment was lighter than theirs, because she did partially succeed in influencing Egwene, even if she failed to prevent the tower from reforming.
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Egwene under compulsion - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 1968 Views
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To add to that - 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM 1093 Views
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Re: To add to that - 19/05/2012 11:04:14 AM 896 Views
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I think you are misunderstanding what I meant - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 974 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1124 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 868 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1130 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 844 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 978 Views
Fair point on Ishamael - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 1019 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 1007 Views
You are over simplifying it I think - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 1036 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 957 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 950 Views
It happened off screen - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 934 Views
Re: It happened off screen - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 904 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 1255 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 993 Views
The Headaches - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 978 Views
Re: The Headaches - 19/05/2012 05:12:26 PM 1042 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 970 Views
Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 938 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM 836 Views
Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 858 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 902 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 927 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 918 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 984 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 846 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 06:00:35 PM 993 Views
Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 845 Views

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