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Re: Like I said before... Datakim Send a noteboard - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM
Egwene learned compulsion from Moghedien and how to counter it. This being Egwene, she either pulled out from Moghedien that there were subtler forms of compulsion, or figured it out herself. We know Elayne and Nynaeve did:


Knowing the compulsion weave and how it works is no protection against it in itself. Graendal was able to place both Moghedian and Cyndane in compulsion when they visited her. Add to this the fact that Halima would have been channeling saidin, and Egwene could have been compelled right there in the camp while she was asleep and woken up with no idea that she now had saidin compulsion in her brain.


Its highly unlikely that Egwene wouldn't get suspicious if she woke one day to find herself more mistrustful of Rand, or the Asha'man. Either way, we've seen her express sentiments contrary to both these, so its not like such a compulsion is even likely to exist. And nor would Aran'gar have been punished if she had succeeded in something like this.


Egwene is already distrustfull of Rand. For a person to suddenly notice that she is just a little bit more distrustfull today than she was yesterday, would require a level of self-reflection that I don't believe Egwene (or anyone else for that matter) has. Halima would have had plenty of time to keep any compulsion small and subtle and adding to it slowly over time and keeping it undetectable that way.

Not to mention the fact that it would be simple enough to add another subtle compulsion that would make Egwene ignore the first one. That might even be supported by the fact that not once did Egwene even suspect Halima of anything despite the fact that she was the only one who could rid her of her headaches.

And was Aran'gar seriously punished anyway? Compared to what happened to Moghedien(Mindtrapped and horribly tortured) or Semirhage (Abandoned by Moridin and then sacrificed by the DO), it seems Aran'gar was not punished all that severely. Maybe her punishment was lighter than theirs, because she did partially succeed in influencing Egwene, even if she failed to prevent the tower from reforming.
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Egwene under compulsion - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 1970 Views
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To add to that - 17/05/2012 01:46:02 PM 1095 Views
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Re: To add to that - 18/05/2012 08:58:23 AM 987 Views
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Re: To add to that - 19/05/2012 11:04:14 AM 898 Views
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I think you are misunderstanding what I meant - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 976 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1126 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 870 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1132 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 846 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 979 Views
Fair point on Ishamael - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 1023 Views
Re: Fair point on Ishamael - 21/05/2012 01:56:30 PM 1009 Views
You are over simplifying it I think - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 1037 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 959 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 952 Views
It happened off screen - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 936 Views
Re: It happened off screen - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM 905 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 19/05/2012 12:05:32 AM 1257 Views
And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 995 Views
The Headaches - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 980 Views
Re: The Headaches - 19/05/2012 05:12:26 PM 1044 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 972 Views
Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 940 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 08:57:17 PM 838 Views
Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 859 Views
Re: Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 01:32:30 PM 903 Views
No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 928 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:57:44 PM 920 Views
Re: No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 02:44:09 PM 985 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 848 Views
Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 06:00:35 PM 994 Views
Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 847 Views

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