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Re: It happened off screen Datakim Send a noteboard - 21/05/2012 01:45:26 PM

What you are laying out for Egwene would have been a very effective method, but Aran'gar doesn't seem to have skill required to pull this off ... Or she most likely would have done this and then moved on to other tasks. Instead she had to rely on other methods such as questioning Sheriam and using Moria to sow discontent in the Hall.


What happened with Ramshalan seems to suggest that Aran'gar does have the necessary skill. She placed compulsion on Ramshalan with no warning and in just few minutes, and did so in a way that left Ramshalans mind intact, just manipulated. And that was with just few moments to work with.

With Egwene, Aran'gar would have had weeks or months to slowly and carefully place delicate compulsions with as much care and precision as was needed. She could even have asked for advice from Graendal on what would work best given the timeframe.

As for why she used others to sow discontent too, I would say probably because she could not use Egwene for it so easily. Remember that what we are talking about here is the idea that Aran'gar placed some very subtle compulsions in Egwenes mind that no one noticed and which will come to play in the final book.

If Aran'gar had placed a compulsion on Egwene that had her march to her followers and declare that its time to surrender to Elaida or anything utterly out of character like that, she would likely have been delved and Aran'gar discovered.
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Egwene under compulsion - 17/05/2012 05:40:31 AM 2007 Views
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I think you are misunderstanding what I meant - 18/05/2012 04:22:38 PM 1001 Views
Re: Egwene under compulsion - 18/05/2012 11:31:01 PM 1162 Views
Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 18/05/2012 11:47:44 PM 907 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 19/05/2012 12:31:10 AM 1168 Views
Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 19/05/2012 12:44:27 AM 881 Views
Re: Yes I know. That's the point we are discussing. - 20/05/2012 07:01:23 AM 1016 Views
Fair point on Ishamael - 20/05/2012 03:36:32 PM 1054 Views
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You are over simplifying it I think - 21/05/2012 03:33:48 PM 1073 Views
Re: Except we know Aran'gar was punished in some way for "losing control of her charge" - 20/05/2012 06:54:40 AM 985 Views
Well, Elza did somehow... - 20/05/2012 11:04:56 AM 984 Views
It happened off screen - 20/05/2012 03:44:40 PM 973 Views
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And lets not forget that Egwene knows to counter compulsion... - 19/05/2012 01:13:39 AM 1025 Views
The Headaches - 19/05/2012 04:47:23 AM 1007 Views
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Re: Egwene under compulsion - 20/05/2012 06:37:23 AM 1006 Views
Like I said before... - 20/05/2012 07:30:58 PM 970 Views
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Finding a weave and recognizing the symptoms are different things - 21/05/2012 03:13:12 AM 896 Views
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No argument that a subtle compulsion would be necessary - 21/05/2012 01:48:06 PM 963 Views
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Re: Like I said before... - 21/05/2012 01:21:34 PM 882 Views
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Seems logical to me, for whatever that is worth. - 21/05/2012 07:28:11 PM 889 Views

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