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Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM DomA Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM
I think it would have been a better story to introduce Hessalam in TOM after her escape caused the death of Aran'gar. I worry that this new twist will simply give no time to really develop and may be distracting to the rest of the book unless something along the lines of what you describe turns out to be the case.

I do think we'll see the last vestiges of Mesaana's WT plots ... Perhaps carried out by Hessalam or Moghedien. Hard to say if Mesaana had subverted Novices (I would actually like to see that), but at the very least there are still like 100 BA women floating around out there in need of a Boss ... Alviarin and her group will likely be little more than sacrificial lambs, but that is one loose end I can't imagine being left unresolved.


I get the feeling the BA will be undetrained in the OP and mostly useful because of all they know about the Westlands at the higher levels - good for hit-and-runs and targeted missions and so on. I expect Demandred's women will rather be full soldiers, trained WoS style. Aside from Shadowspawn, I frankly don't expect Demandred to have bothered much with non-channelers. Why would he? They hold down channelers for transportation, they need to eat and they can't be equipped with advanced weapons that would let them face channelers as it was the case in the WOS.

The Light has two big disadvantages over Demandred, and that's the fact most of their armies are "traditional" and mundane, and unlike the Shadow they have tons of cities and population to defend, all over the place.

To save Caemlyn, it would have taken a mixed gender force bigger than what Rand had at the Pendaloan manor, as many of those mass destruction weaves just couldn't be used in a city where you mustn't kill the population.... and that was mostly just Shadowspawn, I dread to imagine what it will be like when the Shadow puts its dreadlords on the field en masse.

Now pretty much all the Light can do for Caemlyn is send the channelers to raze it so the Shadow doesn't hold a city in the heart of the Westlands.





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AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers* - 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM 3453 Views
You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before. - 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM 1678 Views
Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right... - 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM 1622 Views
I thought of Logain as well... - 20/09/2012 06:10:58 PM 1497 Views
We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power. - 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM 1606 Views
It was spelled out before. - 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM 1423 Views
And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM* - 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM 823 Views
Nor a lot of support for the idea... - 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM 1431 Views
Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events - 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM 1375 Views
I know... - 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM 1440 Views
I'm not so sure - 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM 1413 Views
Why question it? - 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM 1262 Views
Re: Why question it? - 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM 1266 Views
Six Chosen... - 20/09/2012 05:19:17 AM 1594 Views
It's fan fiction, but it's cannon fan fiction - 20/09/2012 06:55:18 AM 1637 Views
Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM 1492 Views
RJ's writing was bad. Sanderson's is far worse. *NM* - 21/09/2012 06:19:04 AM 817 Views
Re: Demandred - the wasted Forsaken - 22/09/2012 07:23:19 PM 1369 Views
Talmanes - 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM 1801 Views
Re: Talmanes - 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM 1218 Views
Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised - 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM 1615 Views
Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM 1424 Views
Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand - 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM 1415 Views
I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM 1369 Views
Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring - 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM 1535 Views
The first time we hear about Transmigration is in LOC - 23/09/2012 08:50:10 PM 1514 Views
Why was Ishamael reinstantiated as Nae'blis after his death? - 02/10/2012 10:17:03 PM 1388 Views
I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM 1579 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM 1662 Views
I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM - 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM 1320 Views
Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM - 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM 1320 Views
EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron) - 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM 1436 Views
Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam - 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM 1777 Views
I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 03:22:56 AM 1259 Views
Re: I don't think she's old. Just really really really ugly! - 25/09/2012 06:13:51 AM 1327 Views
So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table? - 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM 1398 Views
Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? - 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM 1476 Views
Interesting... - 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM 1273 Views
Re: Interesting... - 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM 1522 Views
Just one comment.. - 23/09/2012 11:53:09 PM 1985 Views
If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the - 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM 1310 Views
I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL... - 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM 1386 Views
As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers - 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM 1589 Views
All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally.. - 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM 1215 Views
It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach - 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM 1191 Views
The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size... - 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM 1300 Views
That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case - 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM 1306 Views
Direct quote from Demandred refutes this... - 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM 1302 Views
Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM 1275 Views
Re: Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways - 23/09/2012 11:36:54 PM 1330 Views
Not really - 24/09/2012 12:31:48 AM 1345 Views
"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World? - 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM 1379 Views
I can certainly something like this happening - 23/09/2012 10:50:35 PM 1181 Views
I'm not sure it's possible... - 24/09/2012 03:02:26 AM 1340 Views
I think ... - 24/09/2012 05:36:38 PM 1282 Views
The changes in Moghedien - 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM 1161 Views
I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something? - 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM 1316 Views
Well.. - 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM 1197 Views
Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me... - 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM 1501 Views
Hmmm.... - 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM 1234 Views
Hehe, that old argument again. - 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM 1157 Views
Yes. - 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM 1128 Views
I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM 1297 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM 1185 Views
Well... - 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM 1143 Views
Re: Well... - 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM 1292 Views
Nice speculation. I like that type of calculation. - 26/09/2012 10:59:43 AM 1251 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 03:12:06 AM 1193 Views
Re: Well... - 27/09/2012 08:17:07 AM 1146 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM 1213 Views
Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength - 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM 1220 Views
Actually...... - 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM 1300 Views
Agree with this.. - 26/09/2012 06:12:34 AM 1095 Views
Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM 1146 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 26/09/2012 03:02:41 PM 1320 Views
This is what I've been saying for years! - 26/09/2012 05:48:01 PM 1023 Views
Re: Not sure that's completely true.. - 27/09/2012 03:17:00 AM 1207 Views
Probably something like this - 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM 1255 Views
Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM 1200 Views
Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here... - 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM 1124 Views
Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve - 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM 1347 Views
One thing about that... - 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM 1231 Views
Possible, but I find it unlikely - 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM 1147 Views
The reason I think that... - 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM 1214 Views
I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in - 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM 1263 Views
Of course that's the correct answer, yes. - 27/09/2012 08:12:45 AM 1328 Views
I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM 1208 Views
Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice - 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM 1329 Views
That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 06:00:03 PM 1259 Views
Re: That is the question I was getting at - 26/09/2012 07:01:34 PM 1292 Views

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