EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron)
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM
to accomplish what you are talking about. The training alone would be almost impossible to achieve. even the BT only has a few dozen full Asha'man. Channeling is a skill that takes decades for most to master, creating an army of warriors from scratch would take a lot more time than he has had.
And to manage something like that in total secrecy seems nearly impossible. Eventually people will start to notice recruitment or strange disappearances. With the WT, BT and Seanchan already out recruiting it would be that much more difficult to build in mass numbers. Taim's men alone seem to have hit just about every village and town on the continent and stripped regions bare of men. Egwene and crew aren't that far behind now that rules are changing. And Demandred would be at a deeper disadvantage in that he would need to screen for people with a predilection toward the Shadow, that or force convert them, which takes resources and time and draws the attention of the other Chosen. Perhaps he has been on the Isle of Madmen and/or Shara/Seanchan recruiting ... Would at least explain his being so elusive to the other Forsaken.
Don't get me wrong, I like the concept to a point, but I don't see how he could have kept it hidden from the other Chosen as well as the Lightsiders for so long. And we know Moghedien and Graendal were both actively trying to discover what he was doing. It doesn't even sound like Moridin fully knows what Demandred is up to ...
“You will know the fruits I have harvested, Moridin,” Demandred said, voice low. “You will know them in bushels and droves. Just remember my requirement: I face al’Thor on the field of battle. His blood is mine, and no one else’s.”
Note he says you WILL know, not you DO know. I think Demandred is still relatively free to do as he wishes since he hasn't screwed anything up yet. My guess is that Moridin has far less control over him than he would like or they wouldn't be bargaining.
And to manage something like that in total secrecy seems nearly impossible. Eventually people will start to notice recruitment or strange disappearances. With the WT, BT and Seanchan already out recruiting it would be that much more difficult to build in mass numbers. Taim's men alone seem to have hit just about every village and town on the continent and stripped regions bare of men. Egwene and crew aren't that far behind now that rules are changing. And Demandred would be at a deeper disadvantage in that he would need to screen for people with a predilection toward the Shadow, that or force convert them, which takes resources and time and draws the attention of the other Chosen. Perhaps he has been on the Isle of Madmen and/or Shara/Seanchan recruiting ... Would at least explain his being so elusive to the other Forsaken.
Don't get me wrong, I like the concept to a point, but I don't see how he could have kept it hidden from the other Chosen as well as the Lightsiders for so long. And we know Moghedien and Graendal were both actively trying to discover what he was doing. It doesn't even sound like Moridin fully knows what Demandred is up to ...
“You will know the fruits I have harvested, Moridin,” Demandred said, voice low. “You will know them in bushels and droves. Just remember my requirement: I face al’Thor on the field of battle. His blood is mine, and no one else’s.”
Note he says you WILL know, not you DO know. I think Demandred is still relatively free to do as he wishes since he hasn't screwed anything up yet. My guess is that Moridin has far less control over him than he would like or they wouldn't be bargaining.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 23/09/2012 at 10:10:10 PM
AMOL Prologue : Analysis of Forsaken section *major spoilers*
- 19/09/2012 05:47:21 PM
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You left out that Taim and Demandred have met before.
- 19/09/2012 06:19:01 PM
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Part of me keeps screaming Logain, though that can't be right...
- 20/09/2012 12:14:00 PM
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We have our answer as to why Cyndane and Moiraine are reduced in power.
- 20/09/2012 05:14:01 AM
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It was spelled out before.
- 20/09/2012 05:25:05 AM
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And some of us guessed that's what happened, we just didn't have evidence. *NM*
- 20/09/2012 12:04:18 PM
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Nor a lot of support for the idea...
- 22/09/2012 06:28:14 PM
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Really? Seemed like the obvious series of events
- 23/09/2012 02:32:35 PM
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I know...
- 23/09/2012 05:30:42 PM
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I'm not so sure
- 24/09/2012 05:32:50 PM
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Why question it?
- 25/09/2012 01:40:39 AM
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Re: Why question it?
- 25/09/2012 06:12:32 AM
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No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 04:10:04 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 06:41:13 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 07:21:03 PM
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Re: No she doesn't. She focuses on Graendal's punishment being about her looks
- 25/09/2012 07:53:47 PM
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Demandred - the wasted Forsaken
- 20/09/2012 08:14:15 PM
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Talmanes
- 23/09/2012 12:42:27 AM
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I think you once again overestimate my appreciation of the series.
- 25/09/2012 02:33:34 PM
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Re: Talmanes
- 02/10/2012 03:27:05 PM
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I'm disappointed after waiting a week for a new post in the Forsaken thread, it's about Talmanes!
- 02/10/2012 09:46:48 PM
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Two interesting Forsaken issues you haven't raised
- 22/09/2012 06:21:34 PM
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Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
- 23/09/2012 02:53:32 AM
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Re: Seems to me that Taim himself was behind going to Rand
- 23/09/2012 05:50:48 PM
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I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
- 23/09/2012 06:35:19 PM
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Re: I think I rebel against this thought process because of the Taimandred Red Herring
- 23/09/2012 07:46:59 PM
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I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 23/09/2012 01:20:13 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 23/09/2012 06:52:10 PM
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I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
- 23/09/2012 07:17:15 PM
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Re: I agree that B-Sand seems to have inserted Graendal into the Slayer plot line in TOM
- 23/09/2012 08:19:02 PM
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EDIT ... Demandred has only had about 9 months (according to wotchron)
- 23/09/2012 09:13:44 PM
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Re: I have to wonder at Hessalam
- 24/09/2012 05:18:29 PM
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So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game? Shara or Isle of Madmen back on the table?
- 23/09/2012 08:01:03 PM
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Re: So based on this new info, what is Demandred's big game?
- 23/09/2012 08:52:48 PM
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Interesting...
- 23/09/2012 09:06:18 PM
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Re: Interesting...
- 23/09/2012 11:31:31 PM
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I think we saw them during the attack on Maradon. The Portal Stone attack seems less likely
- 23/09/2012 11:41:42 PM
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If I had to take a guess right now I'd say he has been setting up various Shadow armies thought the
- 23/09/2012 09:30:34 PM
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I think at the very least he has recreated the One-and-Eighty male channelers from the AOL...
- 23/09/2012 09:34:56 PM
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As I said he will almost certainly have Channelers
- 23/09/2012 09:47:53 PM
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All he needed to do was train 10 guys personally..
- 23/09/2012 09:51:46 PM
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It took Taim nearly a year to train a dozen men to a place where they could teach
- 23/09/2012 10:00:40 PM
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The world is 25,000 miles by 25,000 miles in size...
- 23/09/2012 10:15:22 PM
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That is just far fetched ... I think I would laugh out loud if that is the case
- 23/09/2012 10:43:37 PM
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Direct quote from Demandred refutes this...
- 23/09/2012 10:49:10 PM
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Demanded is much more like Mesaana in his ways
- 23/09/2012 10:55:00 PM
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"My rule is secure." Could Demandred be ruling an entire Mirror World?
- 23/09/2012 10:43:51 PM
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The changes in Moghedien
- 25/09/2012 03:29:15 AM
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I believe she commented on Graendal's strength, comparing it to Nynaeve or something?
- 25/09/2012 11:07:24 PM
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Well..
- 25/09/2012 11:15:21 PM
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Thanks for the quote, but reading that, it kind of implies the opposite, to me...
- 25/09/2012 11:35:53 PM
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Hmmm....
- 26/09/2012 12:00:33 AM
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Hehe, that old argument again.
- 26/09/2012 12:09:25 AM
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Yes.
- 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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- 26/09/2012 12:58:03 AM
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I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 26/09/2012 04:11:16 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 26/09/2012 08:53:02 AM
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Well...
- 26/09/2012 09:09:38 AM
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Re: Well...
- 26/09/2012 10:17:03 AM
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Moiraine lost more than 2/3 of her strength. Siuan lost about that and Moiraine seems
- 26/09/2012 04:46:18 PM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 27/09/2012 03:00:04 AM
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Re: I agree the Forsaken are all pretty close in effective Strength
- 27/09/2012 07:23:11 AM
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As always you forget book 4 is more than half way through the timeline of the series
- 26/09/2012 03:58:22 AM
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Actually......
- 26/09/2012 02:30:00 AM
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Not sure that's completely true..
- 26/09/2012 06:42:51 AM
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Probably something like this
- 26/09/2012 08:36:40 AM
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Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
- 26/09/2012 08:56:32 AM
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Re: Probably true, but maybe a hint from a Sanderson interview should be considered here...
- 26/09/2012 10:01:08 AM
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Graendal almost has to be Stronger than Nynaeve
- 26/09/2012 05:57:35 PM
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One thing about that...
- 27/09/2012 02:58:56 AM
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Possible, but I find it unlikely
- 27/09/2012 06:16:56 AM
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The reason I think that...
- 27/09/2012 06:25:48 AM
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I always assumed Nynaeve at the top was a list he later revised as he decided to bring in
- 27/09/2012 06:39:35 AM
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I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
- 26/09/2012 03:45:36 AM
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Re: I wasn't making a Strength comparison ... I was commenting on her lack of cowardice
- 26/09/2012 05:30:36 PM
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